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I had thought of changing back this weekend too but then it was -2°C on my commute this morning so I think I'll wait until the end of the month.
been toying with the idea of putting the summers back on for a few weeks now 
.....but just as the weather gradually gets warmer, it then drops back near freezing again... so i'll leave it another week i think....
have to say, i have been very impressed and please with the decision to use winter tyres!!!
.....but just as the weather gradually gets warmer, it then drops back near freezing again... so i'll leave it another week i think....have to say, i have been very impressed and please with the decision to use winter tyres!!!
Ditto. Will be picking up a spare set of alloys and tyres in a week's time so will probably fit them then.
been toying with the idea of putting the summers back on for a few weeks now
have to say, i have been very impressed and please with the decision to use winter tyres!!!
Have to agree again
And I don't think they've had an adverse effect on fuel economy either - even when we have had warmer days.
They are due to come off soon, but travelling today at the height of temperature today, it was only showing 11oC. This is obviously preferable for summers, but not an 'OMG must put the summers on today as they are getting chewed up'
As said in previous posts going to and from work the temps much lower and still below the magic 7oC in the morning and may be just above it (at best) on the way home.
In no desperate rush, yet.
As said in previous posts going to and from work the temps much lower and still below the magic 7oC in the morning and may be just above it (at best) on the way home.
In no desperate rush, yet.
For me it's more about not destroying the winter tyres any f urther than needed, quite happy to scrub off the last of the old summer tyres - driving RWD makes you a lot more throttle sensitive
This is to be expected to some extent, because the magic ingredient for keeping rolling resistance low is the same ingredient used to keep the tread soft at freezing temperatures: add silica to the compound.
For this reason, I'd expect LRR summer tyres to outperform performance summer tyres in certain winter conditions...
Performance/sport tyres use more rubber and little or no silica in their compound, which is great for grip when temperatures are high but also means the tyres go very hard at temperatures below a few degrees, causing traction problems.
LRR/Eco summer tyres won't go hard as quickly as sport tyres as temps fall - because of their higher silica content - but they don't have the special siping and "self cleaning" qualities of winter tyres, so can't compete on snow or ice.
I guess it's the siping and aggressive tread that makes winters slightly less efficient than summer eco tyres, but it's a close call as you say.
I've noticed that my winter tyres' efficiency is far more sensitive to wet weather (than LRR summers) though - if the road is wet it costs several mpg for the journey.
put the summer wheels and tyres back on at the weekend........had't realised how rough the roads were on my way to work until this morning!!! reckon i felt every stone and peice of gravel !!
looking at the winters, reckon with a bit of swapping front / backs and side to side, they could last at least another 2 winters easily!!!
looking at the winters, reckon with a bit of swapping front / backs and side to side, they could last at least another 2 winters easily!!!
Remember that winters need to be changed when tread level reaches 4mm though. I'm expecting to get 1.5-2 winters from my fronts (which means about 25-30k miles).
My Michelin winters were down to about 4.5mm on the front by the end of their first season, but the rears were hardly worn at all... I think my FR's misbehaving DSG 'box was inflicting damage with it's over-eager starts.
I've not noticed the same amount of wear on my Conti TS830s after their first season on my Ecomotive.
I'm changing from a Leon fr (17/225/45) to an Ibiza cupra (17/215/40) do you think it's likely I could fit the nokians on them? If so I'll put some new cheaps on before I trade it in and use them again
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It depends entirely on the width of the rim you're going to put them on - same wheels won't fit 5x112 vs 5x100 (without an adaptor).
I swapped my front winters off during the week to save tread, prior to the other two being done this weekend, and my MPG dropped from a consistent 34 to 28 on the same journey with the Eagle F1s. Not all of that is down to rolling resistance though
I swapped my front winters off during the week to save tread, prior to the other two being done this weekend, and my MPG dropped from a consistent 34 to 28 on the same journey with the Eagle F1s. Not all of that is down to rolling resistance though
Mine were swapped back this morning. car feels different now, turn-in is sharper but ride is harsher.
Need to give them a good clean before they go away for the summer now.
Need to give them a good clean before they go away for the summer now.
I did mine last week. Same as Craig Senior, turn-in is sharper again, but ride isn't much different- my winters are the same size as the summer tyres.
Swapped mine over on Friday. Too early to tell the effect on mpg yet. First decent journey was quite a bit worse but I was also in a rush.
But it's nice to have some alloys on instead of the winter steels+trims.
But it's nice to have some alloys on instead of the winter steels+trims.
to bump up old topic - I've just spoke to Costco and they have Michelin Alpin (presumably A4) in 205/55/16 size for £123 per tyre fitted. That is exactly the same price as blackcircles fully fitted so no savings there...
any tips on where to shop around for a best deal? better sort it now rather than in November
any tips on where to shop around for a best deal? better sort it now rather than in November
Just checked mytyres.co.uk and they have Michelin Alpin A4 (205/55R16 91H) for £106.80 per corner (inc p&p).
You can probably get four fitted for less than £65 ( (123 - 106.80) x 4 = £64.80 for fitting )... so it might be worth mail ordering them and getting them fitted locally?
I'm going to stick with Conti TS830s for now though. I liked the Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3s and they were a tad quieter than the Contis, but weren't quite as good in snow as the TS830s.
I paid £82 each for the TS830s and they're now £110... so they've definitely gone up a bit. I dread to think how much more they'll be once the cold weather kicks in later in the year.
You can probably get four fitted for less than £65 ( (123 - 106.80) x 4 = £64.80 for fitting )... so it might be worth mail ordering them and getting them fitted locally?
I'm going to stick with Conti TS830s for now though. I liked the Michelin Primacy Alpin PA3s and they were a tad quieter than the Contis, but weren't quite as good in snow as the TS830s.
I paid £82 each for the TS830s and they're now £110... so they've definitely gone up a bit. I dread to think how much more they'll be once the cold weather kicks in later in the year.
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