The big brake set up test.

[Willie]

Right, theres been too many threads with people saying their set up is 'the best they've ever had' and 'awesome'.
So I think its about time we got some specifications down in print to SEE what is the best set up.
There might be a few surprises here.

So what I would like to do is over the next few weeks get people to post up there cars specifictions and set up a test bed to allow these to be compared accurately.

So I would like the MK1 Leon Cupra and Cupra R guys to post there cars specs.

The info I think is important is

- Car model

- Tyre brand and rough tread depth

- Suspension set up

- Brake pad spec (how many miles/wear)

- Brake fluid spec and when last changed

- Brakes disc spec (how many miles/wear)

How I think it would be best to test these set ups would be for you to find a flat straight piece of road, accelerate to 62 MPH coast for a short while (so you know your at 62 MPH and not accelerating any more) then brake hard (but not braking traction) to approx 5 MPH. Not to full stop.
If this is done 15 times, with a short cooling time inbetween, this will heat up the brakes and pads.
Once this is done complete the same as above, 62 MPH, but this time come to a complete stop and measure the distance travelled. If this is carried out 10 times and an average distance is taken this should allow these results to be quite accurate if traction is broken discount this run.

These details will be put into a table and be made into a sticky for future reference and allow us to see for sure what is the best set up.
This will be good to do on here as there is alot of people running the same systems like the CRN discs + DS2500, EBC Ultimax + DS2500, Brembo Grooved + DS2500 and Bills 2 piece set up + DS2500

Sorry for exculding other Leon models but the less varibles we have the better to compare these set ups.

 

[Black TDI Turbo]

Go to an m.o.t station and test the brake efficency in the rollers.

 

[Willie]

Not accurate enough (strangely enough, its good enough for MOT though) to take into account the brakes to be heated up to maximum operating temperature.
Would an MOT test station allow this? 10 x on the rollers??

 

[ibizacupra]

weight saving factor on 2-piece as well as cooler running disks from their improved ducted venting.

Please bed in the brakes before doing any such test tho eh!

 

[Willie]

Yup full bed in procedure will be followed as per DS2500 procedure before any such tests will be done.

 

[Willie]

Well I'll start this off then with my car specs and will do the testing once the brakes are on and bedded in correctly.

1. Seat Leon Cupra R 2003

2. Tyres Michelin Pilot Alpin 2's 6mm front and 6mm rear or
Good Year Eagle F1 Asymmetric 6mm front 8mm rear

3. OEM suspension with rear ARB and front strutt brace

4. DS2500 front (new) DS2500 rear (10,000 miles 2 years)

5. DOT 4 brake fluid changed 1 year ago

6. Badger 5 330 mm x 28 mm 2 piece discs (new)

 

[kegger]

I'm only running standard LCR setup so I'm not gonna join in but I just wanted to say this is a brilliant idea!!! I'm sure the results will be a benefit to many on here

 

[big eck]

I would do it but my low pads warning light is on so dont wanna do any damage lol

Kegger - yours is ideal to do this test, standard against uprated items.

 

[ibizacupra]

Yup full bed in procedure will be followed as per DS2500 procedure before any such tests will be done.

the 2-piece disks need a steady increase in temp and load with time to cool off in between braking also, so a heat cycle is eased onto them, else you can create a juddery pedal.
you already know that tho I bet

 

[Willie]

I'm only running standard LCR setup so I'm not gonna join in but I just wanted to say this is a brilliant idea!!! I'm sure the results will be a benefit to many on here

Kegger your results would be one of the most important TBH. We all think we have improved our set ups over the OEM but this might be all in our minds.
If you can do this this would benifit the masses and I would be most appreciative

 

[kegger]

So long as it's a benefit to the masses... count me in! I'm even still on pirelli's at the moment so it'd be considered a completely standard car... can't guarantee their lifespan though!

 

[Willie]

So long as it's a benefit to the masses... count me in! I'm even still on pirelli's at the moment so it'd be considered a completely standard car... can't guarantee their lifespan though!

Yup, there is another guy I know who has a 5,000 mile LCR totally OEM, I'll get him roped into this aswell and we'll have two OEM cars to use as a litmus paper.
Cheers dude

Everybodies help would be good with this. I hope this will help save people time and money with research and deciding what set up they sohould by for their needs.

 

[GREY 225]

I,d have a go at this but how do you want to measure the distance covered,does it have to be exact or are we talking a rough measurement will do,you will have to use the same reference point to start braking too wont you?

 

[DPJ]

Instead of measuring distance, measure the time to decelerate? That can be logged on Vag-Com.

 

[steve_p]

Instead of measuring distance, measure the time to decelerate? That can be logged on Vag-Com.

Would be interested in trying that. I have the Badger 5 two piece set up that Junior Senior is getting and a full Vag-Com.
Any clues as to how as I'm fairly new to the Vag-Com side of things.....

 

[Willie]

I initially thought that a measured distance would be one that everyone could do with a mate.

Have a mark where you start braking at then where you stop measure back to that point and log the length. Will be interesting to see if there is any brake fade during these stops.

VAG com was a thought but that limits the amount of people that will manage to complete this.
Timing the stop would be a good reference aswell.

All set up will be welcome to post there result, especially ones with Big Reds DPJ

 

[DPJ]

Would be interested in trying that. I have the Badger 5 two piece set up that Junior Senior is getting and a full Vag-Com.
Any clues as to how as I'm fairly new to the Vag-Com side of things.....

Logging block 066 will give you speed and time.

 

[Willie]

How does VAG com do this, does it log speed and time and you can plot this to see how long it took you to stop?

 

[DPJ]

Handy for doing 60-100 etc too (but 0 - whatever, you've got to remember wheelspin will slew results)

The log is elapsed time in the first column and speed (kph) in the next column.

To calculate 60-100, you'd look up the time showing against 96kph, then look up the time showing against 160kph and calculate the time difference....

 

[Willie]

Excellent, you going to manage to get us some results for your set up