Not against this you wouldn't... 
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORI...ALL/CORSA/vauxhall_corsa_vxrr_car_review.html
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORI...ALL/CORSA/vauxhall_corsa_vxrr_car_review.html
Not against this you wouldn't...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORI...ALL/CORSA/vauxhall_corsa_vxrr_car_review.html
I would be very suprised if a front wheel drive car could have the traction to get to 60 in 5.4 seconds. Maybe with a 80:20 weight ratio. My less powerful MR2 turbo accerates better than a Leon Cupra cause of the superior traction with the MR layout.
That a interesting comment 3.5k power drop off -mine is around 4k who's map have you got?? [ it pulls like a train to 5k]
This will probably cause some contoversy, but mine has pulled away from a Astra VXR. All be it on a shortish road im sure on top end he would of had me.
dekFR
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I only recently changed my Corsa VXR to the Leon FR 170. Having driven both cars, I can tell you that the FR is one quick car and is up there with the rest of the hot hatches in my opinion. Economy spot on as well
bizzaboy
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Hello dekFR, thankyou for posting, regarding this discussion. It's nice to hear from someone that has driven both, and can provide a direct comparison.
Although the FR is rapid, on paper the VauxhallS (now including the Astra VXR as that's also been mentioned) are secondS quicker than the diesel FR.
However, performance aside, you have so much more 'street cred' driving the FR, with people less likely to laugh at you when driving down the road.
....................I LOVE MY FR!! 
I wouldn't entertain a race either. That's why we pay a small fraction of the insurance premiums that young (male especially) drivers pay, of course...
Just to add my 2 cents. I have taken a corsa VXR no problem. Dont get me wrong off the lights it kills you in 1st gear as the FR has such a short first. But by the time you get 2nd and drop 3rd, my car was 1 maybe 1 1/2 car lengths in front. Im running 235bhp 368lbs. Grin factor ....... ALWAYS
ps.....if its wet, both cars have major issues putting the power down through the front wheels. Spinning in 3rd is never good for the tyres.
ps.....if its wet, both cars have major issues putting the power down through the front wheels. Spinning in 3rd is never good for the tyres.
Just to add my 2 cents. I have taken a corsa VXR no problem. Dont get me wrong off the lights it kills you in 1st gear as the FR has such a short first. But by the time you get 2nd and drop 3rd, my car was 1 maybe 1 1/2 car lengths in front. Im running 235bhp 368lbs. Grin factor ....... ALWAYS
ps.....if its wet, both cars have major issues putting the power down through the front wheels. Spinning in 3rd is never good for the tyres.
How did you manage that? I have stage 1 and have 221bhp and 340lbs torque
Xaser04
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i have never had the opportunity to find out but from what i have heard about those wee Corsa's... it would be no contest. Power to weight alone would see the Corsa off into the distance. I struggled to stick with a 106 gti...
The little VXR's are indeed pretty quick. I used to own a Artic one (no 412 IIRC) and it was a hoot to drive although the popping and banging (not to mention the body roll) got boring very quickly. They are also only quick off the line, once in 4th the intial pull seems to have gone replaced with a quick but not massively rapid acceleration (its hard to describe but I assume its something to do with the overboost).
In terms of straight line speed I had no trouble keeping up with a non-artic VXR in a BMW 123D (2.0L Twin turbo 204BHP diesel), whilst the BMW is much more linear than the (remapped) FR I would imagine once rolling there wouldn't be much in it (although the BMW would be quicker to 60 thanks to the turbo setup and RWD).
But anyway as others have already said the best way to make rapid pace in a normal diesel (again the 123D is outside of this) is by using the torque rather than chasing the absolute BHP.
The 123D really is an odd car (engine), it pulls like a 6 cylinder petrol (ie very linear with no tail off in power) however it is constrained by the diesel gearing, I never really got on with it as its linear feeling really made you feel like you weren't driving a diesel (the thrust of torque is masked when accelerating).
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To the original post there aint that much in it tbh from my findings this morning. My 58 FR TDI is stock currently needs servicing and i noticed i had the air conditioning on and coming onto the motorway from 0mph i kept up with the lil corsa getting closer to it in second gear and then the corsa pulling slightly when i was in 3rd and 4th until the leon pulled a lot of it back up to near legal speed in 5th and 6th. Unfortunately the guy in the Corsa must have been a nutter as when i slowed back down to 80 he shot off doing what must have been a corsa VXR's top speed. I always think when this happens they got scared at least . (He probably thinking i don't wanna see what it will do 50-70) I think remapped, driven properly, a Leon FR TDI will give a stock VXR driver a twitchy bum.
. (He probably thinking i don't wanna see what it will do 50-70) I think remapped, driven properly, a Leon FR TDI will give a stock VXR driver a twitchy bum.
Sure if it happens it happens. Enjoy the power while you can. For now you cant wipe the cheesy grin off my face.
fl1nty360
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22.5k for that corsa???!!! WTF, yeah it probably is quick but i would rather buy a cupra for that money and have change left over for a map etc..i love my fr (diesel) as i do a lot of miles for work and it has much more class than a corsa vxr.
oh and the dash of bluefin makes all the difference...
oh and the dash of bluefin makes all the difference...
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