finally I picked my leon up

[kazand]

Slightly more digging about, and research...

Using a Motability vehicle for anything other than for the benefit of the hirer is a breach of the insurance.

So things like: going to the shops, picking up drugs from the chemist - A-OK

Other things like: going to University, going to work - Not OK

So as well as the reported misuse, which Motability do take seriously - he can also chalk up driving while uninsured.

The scheme is an excellent one, I know many honest people who use it... But they're also wise that people misuse it, and are stamping it out.

Nice dit from their Chairman should some of the very negative "free car" brigade want to become enlightened http://www.motability.co.uk/main.cfm?type=NIA&Objectid=2778

Talk to anyone that genuinely claims DLA - they'll give their benefit up in a heartbeat to be fit & healthy I'm sure.

Very sobering read that, both the chairman's comment and Mork's last one.
as I said early-if the OP hasn't broken the rules then fine.
if he has- then he will have to live with the consequences.
If any one doesn't like the comments on here - right or wrong - don't read em.
if it bothers you that much- you know the way out don't slam the door.

 

[Hockey Guy]

This is very telling of the mindset of people on here, that it's perfectly acceptable to condemn someone so aggressively based on an indiscression on their part.

As I have said, I am not questioning the morality of the situation, but that in no way gives people the right to stand up on their soap box and cast punishment as they see fit.

Lets face it, if the attitude is, "he's the boss, what he says goes" and "if you don't like it, leave", the next time people start complaining about insurance prices, high fuel prices, high taxes, let's all remember - the PM is the boss, what he says goes, if you don't like it, leave! The "he's the boss" attitude is working so well in Syria right now, isn't it?? Nothing more than a pathetic power trip by people who can't just leave alone and accept that enough has been said!

The attitude here stinks! This is a public forum meant for people to share a common interest and contribute to the greater good - not a town square with stocks for people to be abused as the "town's folk" see fit!

m0rk, it's interesting how you have not attempted to justify the continuation of this thread - I see your recent post is just "rubbing more salt in to the wounds" - you tell me how that fits in with the impartial, responsible roll you should be adopting??

 

[lawrieIbizaMk4]

This is very telling of the mindset of people on here, that it's perfectly acceptable to condemn someone so aggressively based on an indiscression on their part.

As I have said, I am not questioning the morality of the situation, but that in no way gives people the right to stand up on their soap box and cast punishment as they see fit.

Lets face it, if the attitude is, "he's the boss, what he says goes" and "if you don't like it, leave", the next time people start complaining about insurance prices, high fuel prices, high taxes, let's all remember - the PM is the boss, what he says goes, if you don't like it, leave! The "he's the boss" attitude is working so well in Syria right now, isn't it?? Nothing more than a pathetic power trip by people who can't just leave alone and accept that enough has been said!

The attitude here stinks! This is a public forum meant for people to share a common interest and contribute to the greater good - not a town square with stocks for people to be abused as the "town's folk" see fit!

m0rk, it's interesting how you have not attempted to justify the continuation of this thread - I see your recent post is just "rubbing more salt in to the wounds" - you tell me how that fits in with the impartial, responsible roll you should be adopting??

it's m0rks forum mate. Pretty much says in the rules it's a free forum for everyone to use but everything is at the mods' discretion as none of the users pay for the service. This is where the if you don't like it leave attitude comes from because it is essentially the the principle of the website. So if you don't like it...leave

 

[kazand]

Lets face it, if the attitude is, "he's the boss, what he says goes" and "if you don't like it, leave", the next time people start complaining about insurance prices, high fuel prices, high taxes, let's all remember - the PM is the boss, what he says goes, if you don't like it, leave! The "he's the boss" attitude is working so well in Syria right now, isn't it?? Nothing more than a pathetic power trip by people who can't just leave alone and accept that enough has been said!

Difference is the Syrian's can't leave. as has been pointed out, this is a free forum, you choose to join, you choose to leave etc. no one receives an invitation, there is no arm twisting to stay. as a public forum there will always be a diverse range of people on here from all sorts of backgrounds. the opinions will vary from the sublime to the ridiculous. it's the nature of the beast. its also run by people (for free) and monitored by people (for free), not robots so opinions there will vary too. you are entitled to your say, and your opinion. that's why we live here, not Syria. I'm sure they'd jump at the chance to leave if they could. bet they haven't got Motability either although I do hear fuel is cheaper.....

 

[lawrieIbizaMk4]

Lets face it, if the attitude is, "he's the boss, what he says goes" and "if you don't like it, leave", the next time people start complaining about insurance prices, high fuel prices, high taxes, let's all remember - the PM is the boss, what he says goes, if you don't like it, leave! The "he's the boss" attitude is working so well in Syria right now, isn't it?? Nothing more than a pathetic power trip by people who can't just leave alone and accept that enough has been said!

Difference is the Syrian's can't leave.

All that's happening now the argument is going in circles. It is what it is, the PM is voted in fair and square. This is a car forum...not a democracy and this car forum so happens to belong to m0rk therefore it is his forum and we play by his rules. It does work well and it is a good forum, the statistics and member numbers prove that it is popular and full of useful information.

 

[kazand]

All that's happening now the argument is going in circles. It is what it is, the PM is voted in fair and square. This is a car forum...not a democracy and this car forum so happens to belong to m0rk therefore it is his forum and we play by his rules. It does work well and it is a good forum, the statistics and member numbers prove that it is popular and full of useful information.

AMEN

 

[Deleted member 74601]

Blah

Firstly, nobody is casting punishment as they see fit. The guy has broken the rules of Motability, not of this forum, and not in anybodys opinion, it's fact, he broke them. The punishment is to highlight where he has gone wrong and tell Motability. There has been no other punishment, people are merely expressing THEIR opinions, and highlighting facts where he has broken the rules.

 

[Hockey Guy]

People here are clearly missing my point, as I have said numerous times now that I am not saying in any way, shape or form that what the OP has done should be forgiven/understood/not have attention drawn to etc etc. I have a huge gripe with people who claim benefits illegally the same as most people.

My argument here is that the guy admitted his mistake about 5 pages ago, and people are still twisting the screw on it. There can't be anything to gain from this point onwards other than some sort of self-righteous smug self-satisfaction.

The fact that the moderator is choosing to let it continue merely shows that he has some sort of personal agenda which overrides the reasonable actions that should be executed so that should this issue should not turn in to a 10 page slating.

As far as what is in the forum rules, I don't see anything that states that people should be villified and "cyber-lynched" at the forum moderator's discretion. As said before, this just smacks of people climbing onto their soap boxes and refusing to let things go. I wonder how many people here who have expressed their distaste at what has happened, have never done a thing wrong in their lives?

I have no intention of leaving this forum, but I do question what people think the positive gains are from this exercise? Someone should have stepped in (umm, a moderator??) a long time ago, said that what has been said has been said (because the length of this post is due to the same people saying the same thing over and over - myself included), and that action has been taken to prevent it getting out of hand, and to draw the matter to a close. What that action is, IS at the discretion of a moderator, but nobody here has given good reason as to why the action should entail the continuation of the slating, name-calling, and excessive aggression towards the OP.

 

[Nath.]

It isn't out of hand.

You said a few posts ago "Oh well, that makes it OK then" Is that what you think about the fact that he posted a sob story about his nearvs? If so I wish you luck bringing up kids or running a business.

I actually really hope that he has had sleepless nights over this thread. I very much doubt he will though as this is at least the second time he has pulled this scam and he thought (at first) that it was clever.

 

[Hockey Guy]

You said a few posts ago "Oh well, that makes it OK then"

No I didn't - get your facts right!

 

[Nath.]

OHH, get you with your "!". OK my mistake, I'm viewing on a phone. I would have thought someone as perfect as you would have been polite about that.

You may not have said that but you seem to be of that opinion, just because you've fallen for his sob story. I don't think he's sorry at all he just wants Mork to delete the thread so that he can cover his tracks. If you can't see that then more fool you.

 

[Hockey Guy]

OHH, get you with your "!". OK my mistake, I'm viewing on a phone. I would have thought someone as perfect as you would have been polite about that.

You may not have said that but you seem to be of that opinion, just because you've fallen for his sob story. I don't think he's sorry at all he just wants Mork to delete the thread so that he can cover his tracks. If you can't see that then more fool you.

Wow...

Who said anything about being perfect? I've also not fallen for anyone's sob story. Where in any of my posts do you see me taking his side or saying that we should forgive him?

It seems to me from the tone of your posts.. "If so I wish you luck bringing up kids or running a business." and "I actually really hope that he has had sleepless nights over this thread".. that you fall in to the category of "aggression" that I described before.

Also, I apologise if my "!" offended you - personally I'm offended by your implication that due to my position I am somehow incapable of raising children effectively.

Ironic that my intervention in all this has resulted in nothing but a change of focus by the "pitchfork brigade". You've all had your poke and prod at the guy, so how about people just let it be now, ey?

 

[BrettBlade]

Wow...

Who said anything about being perfect? I've also not fallen for anyone's sob story. Where in any of my posts do you see me taking his side or saying that we should forgive him?

It seems to me from the tone of your posts.. "If so I wish you luck bringing up kids or running a business." and "I actually really hope that he has had sleepless nights over this thread".. that you fall in to the category of "aggression" that I described before.

Also, I apologise if my "!" offended you - personally I'm offended by your implication that due to my position I am somehow incapable of raising children effectively.

Ironic that my intervention in all this has resulted in nothing but a change of focus by the "pitchfork brigade". You've all had your poke and prod at the guy, so how about people just let it be now, ey?

I don't think many people will be happy to let this rest until his use of the car is investigated and justified by Motability. As has been said many times before, if he's abiding by the rules he has nothing to worry about, and as far as I'm concerned he's innocent until proven guilty, but there's enough evidence here to justify an investigation into the use of the car. I don't consider holding out for said investigation as cyber-bullying or becoming part of a lynch mob.

 

[Nath.]

Ironic that my intervention in all this has resulted in nothing but a change of focus by the "pitchfork brigade". You've all had your poke and prod at the guy, so how about people just let it be now, ey?

Now we're getting to it.

You think that you've made an intervention and that we should do what you say and leave him alone.

Unlucky, Your intervention has failed. The mobility people are dealing with it now and that won't change if this thread closes.

This is a car forum as as such free cars for scammers is not taken lightly.

 

[Hockey Guy]

I don't think many people will be happy to let this rest until his use of the car is investigated and justified by Motability. As has been said many times before, if he's abiding by the rules he has nothing to worry about, and as far as I'm concerned he's innocent until proven guilty, but there's enough evidence here to justify an investigation into the use of the car. I don't consider holding out for said investigation as cyber-bullying or becoming part of a lynch mob.

Doesn't the term "holding out" suggest waiting and seeing? I recall a few pages ago someone said they would take the appropriate action, so surely the posts should have stopped if people were "holding out"?

What has happened, is that indeed people have been unhappy to let this rest, but have continued with the slating and accusations instead of, as you say, "holding out" until a verdict has been reached.

It should also be pointed out the reaching of any verdict is nobody's business here other than that of the OP and motability.

If someone has already taken the appropriate action, then at least have the stones to make it public here so that this needless exercise can be stopped! Maybe then the matter can be drawn to a close so that all who have chosen to involve themselves can rest happy in the knowledge that one way or another, something has been done.

 

[BrettBlade]

Now we're getting to it.

You think that you've made an intervention and that we should do what you say and leave him alone.

Unlucky, Your intervention has failed. The mobility people are dealing with it now and that won't change if this thread closes.

This is a car forum as as such free cars for scammers is not taken lightly.

I do think there has been an element of some of us being the judge, jury and executioner though. Like I say, he should be considered innocent until proven guilty, and that's not for us to decide.

 

[BrettBlade]

Doesn't the term "holding out" suggest waiting and seeing? I recall a few pages ago someone said they would take the appropriate action, so surely the posts should have stopped if people were "holding out"?

What has happened, is that indeed people have been unhappy to let this rest, but have continued with the slating and accusations instead of, as you say, "holding out" until a verdict has been reached.

It should also be pointed out the reaching of any verdict is nobody's business here other than that of the OP and motability.

If someone has already taken the appropriate action, then at least have the stones to make it public here so that this needless exercise can be stopped! Maybe then the matter can be drawn to a close so that all who have chosen to involve themselves can rest happy in the knowledge that one way or another, something has been done.

I agree with much of what you've said, but people are always going to express their opinion and their consideration of what will be appropriate retribution if the accusations are found to be correct. My own viewpoint is that the evidence certainly accounts to more than hearsay, but it is not for I to decide whether he is guilty of breaking the rules, nor anyone else on this forum (presumably!). There are people here that have made up their own made based on the evidence seen here, as either guilty or innocent. Everyone is entitled to that opinion and to state it freely, the only catch being that our opinions won't matter as to whether he keeps the car or not.

 

[Nath.]

If you look back you will see that I have indeed had the "stones". As well as twice posting a link for others to use so as to complain.

 

[Hockey Guy]

If you look back you will see that I have indeed had the "stones". As well as twice posting a link for others to use so as to complain.

So does that mean then that you agree that from that point, it should have stopped, or do you still maintain that continued persecution of the OP is perfectly reasonable, acceptable and appropriate given that you'd already taken the action you felt neccessary and others had called for?

 

[lawrieIbizaMk4]

Hockey guy, my advice would really just be to drop it. Nothing to gain from back and forth arguing arguing against the majority, you'll just end up "that guy" for the remainder of your time on the forum