Car cuts out immediately - VAG com errors

[liver-red]

Hey Guys,



Car started today - then cut out straight away. This happens every time I turn the key.
When I turn the key HALF way, the dashboard lights don't even show up. In fact... no lights on the dashboard show at all.


Here's a LOG:

Monday,01,March,2010,15:00:35:25141
VCDS Version: Release 805.3
Data version: 20090213



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Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72



00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: Malfunction 0010
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door,Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 06F 906 056 BB HW: Hardware No
Component: MED9.5.10 G00 7001
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: SEZ7Z0D2679062
Coding: 0000075
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

4 Faults Found:
16952 - Cruise Control Switch (E45): Implausible Signal
P0568 - 008 - Implausible Signal
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 008 - Implausible Signal
18058 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
P1650 - 008 - Implausible Signal
16455 - Sensor for Ambient Air Temperature (G17): Implausible Signal
P0071 - 002 - Lower Limit Exceeded
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.lbl
Part No: 09G 927 750 BB
Component: AQ 250 6F 0569
Coding: 0000008
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No: 1K0 907 379 M
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0105
Coding: 0021234
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

1 Fault Found:
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl
Part No: 5P0 907 044 B
Component: ClimatronicPQ35 004 0202
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

2 Faults Found:
01299 - Diagnostic Interface for Data Bus (J533)
008 - Implausible Signal
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 937 049 T HW: 1K0 937 049 T*
Component: Bordnetz-SG 1.0 H29 0704
Revision: 00029000 Serial number: 00000001317478
Coding: 818C0F2700041000001E00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

Part No: 5P0 955 119 A
Component: Wischer SE359 012 0401
Coding: 00056272
Shop #: WSC 00000

4 Faults Found:
01321 - Control Module for Airbags (J234)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
02403 - Terminal 15 for Interior
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00576 - Terminal 15
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
00526 - Brake Light Switch-F
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 H HW: 1K0 909 605 H
Component: S5 AIRBAG VW8 023 0700
Revision: 06023000 Serial number: 00385D0GP8C4
Coding: 0021301
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

1 Fault Found:
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 B HW: 1K0 953 549 B
Component: Lenksäulenmodul 013 0010
Coding: 0012042
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: Lenkradmodul 004 0060

1 Fault Found:
00895 - Cruise Control Switch (E45)
014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments
Cannot be reached

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 C HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: Gateway H08 0080
Revision: 08 Serial number: 2600104702017E
Coding: 3F3F0340078203
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

2 Faults Found:
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 170
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 13:47:09

00381 - Databus Instrument Cluster
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 67
Reset counter: 153


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Address 25: Immobilizer
Cannot be reached

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX1.lbl
Part No: 1T0 959 701 A
Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0140
Coding: 0000016
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x.lbl
Part No: 1K2 909 144 G
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.13 1301
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MIN.clb
Part No: 1K0 959 433 BL
Component: 01 KSG 0301
Coding: 99C000BC090005054C5F863000
Shop #: WSC 40325 403 59708

Part No: 5P0 951 171 C
Component: Innenraumueberw.009 4865
Coding: 00000000
Shop #: WSC 00000

Part No: 1K0 951 605 A
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H01 1201

Component: NGS n.mounted

1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX1.lbl
Part No: 1T0 959 702 A
Component: Tuersteuergeraet 09 0140
Coding: 0000016
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 5P2 035 152
Component: Radio BNO 0035
Coding: 0010400
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000

1 Fault Found:
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded
000 - -

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Address 62: Door,Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN1.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 703 B
Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0216
Coding: 0000016
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

1 Fault Found:
00934 - Electric Window Motor; Rear Left (V26)
005 - No or Incorrect Basic Setting / Adaptation - Intermittent

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN1.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 704 B
Component: Tuersteuergeraet 06 0216
Coding: 0000016
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200

No fault code found.

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Obviously some errors are 'fake' errors... ie: the rear electric windows - they clearly do work.
So there's a fault somewhere what's mis-communicating with other things?



Can anyone advise on what steps to take? What Are the solutions to the above?
Also - what's the main reason for the car cutting out?


Thanks chaps

 

[liver-red]

oh - edit: It's VCDS not VAG-COM.


It is rather important, so if anyone can shed any light.... I will love you forever

Thanks.

 

[Slimy]

There's a few too many mentions of 'immobilizer' in there for my liking, it suggests it's the immobilizer disabling everything. There's a few thread on here for the same sort of thing, have a look at what people have done.

 

[BeartheBruce]

Did the battery go dead or really low on voltage - you have something major wrong that so many modules are not talking. It would appear to me that the CAN Gateway module is acting up which is why I asked about battery voltage. But, we should also be seeing some low voltage complaints.

Did something else happen? Has someone taken the car apart and tried to get it back together?

 

[liver-red]

I've searched the forum - it seems the car is acting as if this is the fault.... however - the "key" symbol isn't showing on the dash (maybe cos the dash is not lighting up at all?)


Bruce, The batteries not been dead. All electrics work fine.. lights.. wipers.. radio.. heaters..

we're the second owners of the car... the first owner was the Directors wife of Tesco's - serviced every 5K miles... looked after... so I don't think anyone's tried taking it apart and putting it back together? (any way to find out?)

 

[BeartheBruce]

The fact that the instrument cluster cannot be reached at all is a bother to me. Could be the instrument cluster is toast.

The fact that CAN gateway cannot talk on the databus to the instrument cluster might be another clue that the instrument cluster is toast.

What I would start doing is to unplug the instrument cluster, clear the codes, then rescan to see if unplugging the cluster would clear up anything.

Possibly you should try what we call a cold boot - disconnect the battery - let all modules go off line for 20-30 minutes - then reconnect and re-scan. It may be that life is just seriously confused in this car!

 

[liver-red]

Cheers Bruce, will try that tomorrow!

I've been recommended to try a key fob reset - this MIGHT work.

However, we got 2 keys with this car... BOTH have remotes on.
Now - all the resetting instructions, clearly state a key without the remote is needed....

 

[Slimy]

Cheers Bruce, will try that tomorrow!

I've been recommended to try a key fob reset - this MIGHT work.

However, we got 2 keys with this car... BOTH have remotes on.
Now - all the resetting instructions, clearly state a key without the remote is needed....

The keys contain an immobiliser chip, the remote door locking is just a courtesy thing and not part of the immobiliser. I've got one flip key and one standard key, but both contain the immobiliser 'thingy'.

The reset thing means that you use the key in the door to unlock the car, rather than pushing the remote button.

 

[liver-red]

ah We'll leave that one then.


Guess I'll just have to wait till tomorrow for vag-com to come back round and try the above methods.



Tell ya what - I never had this much trouble with a 'crappy pre 2000 car without the mod cons!'

 

[liver-red]

Oh!!

My friend (with vagcom) was planning on recoding the immobiliser tomorrow... but just mentioned we can't do it - because we don't have the PIN number for the car.


any way around this?



p.s - sorry for all the Questions

 

[BeartheBruce]

No way around it but why do you think it is needed?

With all the errors you are showing on this car, I would not jump to the conclusion that this is a key issue. The immobilizer does not talk to the scan tool. The Instrument cluster does not talk to the scan tool. The CAN gateway is complaining about an error on the internal databus and this leads you to the conclusion that you have a problem with a key? I think not.

You have a communications problem amongst the modules in the car. The more I think about it the more I feel a full system reset is warranted by disconnecting the battery for 30 minutes or so. Let all the modules reset and come back into communication. See if you can talk to all modules at that point. Then clear codes and then try to start the car. The systems are thoroughly confused or compromised at the moment. If compromised, you have a lot more work ahead of you and re-coding keys is not the solution.

 

[liver-red]

Thanks Bruce,

I'm not saying it's the Key issue. In fact, as mentioned - I have no idea what the issue is. But searching all corners of the internet keeps throwing up different solutions etc

Before we do anything tomorrow, I'll reset the car like you mentioned. Then take things from there.

 

[liver-red]

Hey Bruce,

'Reset the battery' as mentioned. Checked the fuse as others have mentioned.

Still in the same situation.

Just looking at unpluggin the instrument cluster now... Checking online for 'destructions' - but if anyone can help... much appreciated!

 

[BeartheBruce]

The Autoscan did not change at all? That surprises me.

Well, I guess you try the instrument cluster.

If that makes no difference in the Autoscan results, then ....... you need to get it towed to someone who can start checking lots of things cause there is something radically wrong.

 

[liver-red]

Hey Bruce,

The only thing in the autoscan what changed - was a few extra errors... low voltage ones - which is to be expected if we've tried turning the key several times.

Guess it'll be a phone call to a garage tomorrow