Excessive gear stick movment. (Opinions needed please on page 3()

[__B3NNY__]

Ok , as some of you may know im having a problem with 5th gear at the moment, basicly when pressure is applied to the accelerator its fine and stays in gear but when i let of (coasting) you can watch the stick slowly move itself out of gear.

When pressure is applied in 1st 3rd and 5th gear you can see the stick move forward id say about 15/20mm and when you let of it snaps back, im not sure if this is normal? Hence my question.

The garage have told me they are quite confident that its the engine mounts casuing this and more than likly the reason that its slipping out of 5th when there is no pressure on the accelerator.

So could anybody tell me if your stick moves forward in 1st 3rd and 5th. I dont want to spend £250+ on mounts to find that it isnt the issue and end up having to fork out X amount on top for a box rebuild.

Any help would be great!

 

[MIkey kc]

Off the top of my head the stick moves backwards a little

Have you tried setting your gear linkage up? it seems it to tight and pulling it out of gear. Thats prob why they think its your mounts, to much engine rock so it pulls on linkage which pulls it out of gear.

 

[Robbie C]

I get a small amout of side to side play but that's about it. What does piss me off is the actual gear knob itself is a little loose and twists in my hand from time to time

Hope you get it sorted mate

 

[__B3NNY__]

Off the top of my head the stick moves backwards a little

Have you tried setting your gear linkage up? it seems it to tight and pulling it out of gear. Thats prob why they think its your mounts, to much engine rock so it pulls on linkage which pulls it out of gear.

I have messed with the linkage but its now set back to normal (i think). I hadnt touched the linkage before the problem started so i cant see it being too tight? There seems to be hell of alot of movement when pressing the pedel but im not sure how much movment there is supposed to be if any, ill try and get a vid up this weekend.

Robbie - Try uncliping the gatior and removing the OEM clip that holds the knob on and replace it with a decent jubilee, ive had to do this since i removed my short shifter.

 

[Robbie C]

Will give that a go cheers mate

 

[Reuvers]

in 1st 3rd and 5th gear knob is supposed to pull backwards (towards you) slightly and I mean very slightly, when accelerating. Not move forward.

 

[__B3NNY__]

Will somthings seriously wrong then, as said the stick moves forward 15/20mm when applying pressure to the pedel. Im now praying that it is the mounts causing this as these need to be uprated anyway.

Killing 2 brids with one stone as the saying goes...

 

[MIkey kc]

sounds like the front engine mount to me, on the front subframe, loads of play letting the engine rock backwards

 

[__B3NNY__]

I havent actully seen it myself but when i had another mechanic look at it he asked me to sit in the car handbrake on and try and pull away in first as he watched the engine for any movment, he said there was a 'little' bit but didnt think it was causing the problem.

Another mechanic feels confident that it is the mounts because of the excessive play in the stick and has told me to get some.

Im going to give the mounts a bash anyway as they need to be uprated before i hike my power up.

 

[ibizacupra]

if the stick is moving, the engine is likely also flapping about. open the bonnet, stick it in gear ease on the clutch and see how much the engine rocks about.

things to also check are the the circlips on the cables are secured to the bracket on the g'box and the brkt is also secured to the bos tightly.

 

[__B3NNY__]

Just off out to check the suggested things now.

Bill when you say the cir clips do you mean the black clips with the spring on that you twist and pull back if you where going to adjust the linkage? And also the bracket do you mean the item that can be swapped for the TT version?

 

[__B3NNY__]

just been out to the car and if im looking at the correct parts it all seems to be there and tightend the shifter onto the box it wasnt loose but i was able to put half a turn on it, the funny thing is i sat in the car with the handbrake on and in 1st gear bought the clutch up and gave it some revs and the stick stayed put, i took it down the road and as soon as pressure was applied to the pedel the stick started to move forward

I would have thought if it was a mount that the stick would have tryed to move in the stationary position also?

 

[__B3NNY__]

Ive managed to get a quick vid of the amount of movment when the engine is revved, im no expert but it looks a little excessive to me, or is it normal?

when the miss`s comes round later ill get another vid up of how much the stick is moving.

 

[Adam R]

i recon your front mount is buggered. also check your dogbone mount.
does look like quite a bit of movement

 

[__B3NNY__]

I also thought the front one may be to blame as it seems to be rising up abit.

Sorry, dog bone meaning the one under the master cylinder?

Thing i dont get is that the stick doesnt move at all when im doing it standstill

 

[Adam R]

well the engine will have to try harder as it tried to pull 1 ton of metal along with it, so it will move more than what you have shown in that video.. so basically its rocking back so much its pulling the car out of gear

 

[m0rk]

no dog bone on the Mk3 ibiza... i would check that the front mount is secured, it's moving a lot for 'static', but while you're checking the front mount, have a look at the gearbox side one too

 

[Adam R]

no dog bone on the Mk3 ibiza... i would check that the front mount is secured, it's moving a lot for 'static', but while you're checking the front mount, have a look at the gearbox side one too

i thought the gear box mount was a dog bone

 

[MIkey kc]

the dog bone mount is on the leons, thats what stops the rock on them, on the mk3 its the front mount on the front subframe that stops the rock.

In the vid you clearly see that there is far to much movement, looks like the engine wants to jump out lol. id have alook at that front mount for sure.

It is strange that it doesnt move the stick when you rev it like that tho?? still gonna be a mount

 

[__B3NNY__]

I had a quick look this evening and all the bolts looked tight although i didnt get underneth as its started to get dark, i assumed that there was to much movment but wasnt sure how much if any there was supposed to be.

Is there any perticular way they can be checked?

I think ill be ordering a set of VT`s in the morning.

Heres the vid of the what the sticks doing sorry about the poor quality as you`ll agree you cant really make much of it.