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Gary's right though, you can add ARBs, Strut braces, polybushes etc and it still won't bring it up to the level of some other cars. Growing some balls won't do anything apart from get you closer to losing it.
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Handling on B-roads
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Gary's right though, you can add ARBs, Strut braces, polybushes etc and it still won't bring it up to the level of some other cars. Growing some balls won't do anything apart from get you closer to losing it.
Gary's right though, you can add ARBs, Strut braces, polybushes etc and it still won't bring it up to the level of some other cars. Growing some balls won't do anything apart from get you closer to losing it.
Yep. I have plenty balls. And I've never once complained about the grip levels the car has.
It'll pull as many lateral g as an equivalent 172 or any other good handling car, but none of that makes it handle well or cope with bumps.
And having balls won't ever make the car do those things. What it will do, is put you in a field when your balls keep pushing and the suspension is under duress and you hit a pothole and get fired clean off the road.
If your talking about on track, the. It's a different matter
Yeah... R.I.P it.
I can't see how you seem to think the Ibiza is so good.. It's ok but nothing to shout about!
Lets be honest though mick, your comparing it to your new megane which was designed by renaultsport (i.e not renault mainstream) which is specifically for fast, sporty cars. Yours has an LSD as well, so the ibiza is never going to be a match. Seat have to use what parts that are in the bottom of the VW parts bin and make do with that, hence a the fr and cupra versions of the ibiza are just ordinary ibizas with bigger engines effectively.
I understand that, and as I said before I thought my Ibiza was pretty good. Just when you can compare it to other things you see the bigger picture. I'm sure at the start of the thread there was a few posts along the lines of "Buy something else". I know what you're saying though which is a shame, as if the handling/suspension in general was better in the FR and Cupra then they would be really good.... That's just the part that lets them down
I understand that, and as I said before I thought my Ibiza was pretty good. Just when you can compare it to other things you see the bigger picture. I'm sure at the start of the thread there was a few posts along the lines of "Buy something else". I know what you're saying though which is a shame, as if the handling/suspension in general was better in the FR and Cupra then they would be really good.... That's just the part that lets them down
Hmm, all this negative talk makes me want to change cars again lol. At the end of the day it gets me from a to b though.
Mine has an LSD
I think the problem is, people confuse grip with handling. Put the two side by side on track and I bet the Ibiza will pull the same lateral g as Micks renault. Its how the feel when doing it thats the problem.
I have no doubt at all in the cars abilities, or my own, and I'm known to push it to the limits (and beyond) on occasion.
Its the ways the cars do it thats the issue. When pushing an Ibiza to the limit, you know your at the limit, and if you blink, your in a hedge. If you do the same in a megane/clio/306/106 etc etc you go round the corner at the exact same speed, you just never feel like your life is in your hands while your doing it.
Sometimes this can be a bad thing, as it means when it does let go, you tend to be going faster.
I also think GK is deliberately being an arse to stir the thread up, but since suspension and handling is my favourite topic, I'l give him sensible replies for a little while
Mine has an LSD
I think the problem is, people confuse grip with handling. Put the two side by side on track and I bet the Ibiza will pull the same lateral g as Micks renault. Its how the feel when doing it thats the problem.
I have no doubt at all in the cars abilities, or my own, and I'm known to push it to the limits (and beyond) on occasion.
Its the ways the cars do it thats the issue. When pushing an Ibiza to the limit, you know your at the limit, and if you blink, your in a hedge. If you do the same in a megane/clio/306/106 etc etc you go round the corner at the exact same speed, you just never feel like your life is in your hands while your doing it.
Sometimes this can be a bad thing, as it means when it does let go, you tend to be going faster.
I also think GK is deliberately being an arse to stir the thread up, but since suspension and handling is my favourite topic, I'l give him sensible replies for a little while
You sir know me too well
This forum needs a bit of stiring up.I've always found the Cupra very predictable at speed, never feels like its going to do anything crazy, and if the back end does let go or the front end runs wide it's always an easy car to correct.
Another thing i like is how all the cars controls feel like they are connected to the things they are controlling.
Take the C2 vts for instance, every single control on that car feels like it is going through a bucket of syrup and then a computer, brakes are either on or off, steering is that stupidly light full electric job.. and im almost sure the clutch and gearbox are made of blu tac.
Ibiza is not perfect, but when it comes to the diesel models it is virtually impossible to find any other car that offers the same level of running cost, buying cost, performance and good looks.
No if only i can find that interior rattle
Exactly. And I know that underneath the forum persona, you actually are not an idiot (thats not a backhanded compliment btw lol)
But there are so many people on here who actually think the Ibiza will outhandle a GTR.
And there are the comments from people who can do 15mph more in an Ibiza to a 206 Gti etc etc
In reality, I'd expect corner speed from almost any hot hatch to be with 1-2mph of each other. Its just the feeling as they do it.
As for commenting on a C2 - I don;t think that needs done
Didnt you also used to have an MG. So for you the Ibiza probably handles like a GTR
Exactly. And I know that underneath the forum persona, you actually are not an idiot (thats not a backhanded compliment btw lol)
But there are so many people on here who actually think the Ibiza will outhandle a GTR.
And there are the comments from people who can do 15mph more in an Ibiza to a 206 Gti etc etc
In reality, I'd expect corner speed from almost any hot hatch to be with 1-2mph of each other. Its just the feeling as they do it.
As for commenting on a C2 - I don;t think that needs done
Didnt you also used to have an MG. So for you the Ibiza probably handles like a GTR
Rover 25 mate! Handling was good on that tbh, far better than corsa, fiesta of same age.
I'm not sure I'd ever want to be comparing handling to a corsa or fiesta
Test drove ZR 160 before i bought the cupra, great handling car, and k series vvc engines in many ways makes Hondas K series look like a big fat antique. Rover K is still one of the lightest if not the lightest BHP/kg production engines ever made, hence why caterham and lotus loved them. And the vvc system is simply an epic piece of engineering. If only they could have made it work with Honda levels of reliability.
But build quality on later models is awful, the drving position is bad, and the equipment levels were poor.
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Hope this doesn't count as resurrecting a too-old thread (1 month), but I wasn't here when it started - I did my first long trip in the Ibiza yesterday (~300 miles) down a mixture of motorways (great), A-roads (OK) and B-roads (hmm). Suspension mods have just gone to the top of the list.
Are you saying that poly bushes improved the handling *and* ride? The way mine crashes around makes me think the bushes aren't too clever, so this could be a good first step - I'd always assumed that stock rubber was the way to go, but if mine are shagged after less than 50k, that perhaps says something. Also, what geometry changes did you make?
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