HHO on TDI - anyone tried it or looked into it?

[MarkWales]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fIEeCa1H0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-r5m_8-JY

just two quick video showing what I am on about

 

[MJ]

erm, what the frig is it mark?

(i watched the vids with no volume)

 

[enigma]

yeah , im not sure from what i can gather it seems to be some kind of hydrogen fuel cell type thing that feeds into the air intake?

 

[MJ]

yeah , im not sure from what i can gather it seems to be some kind of hydrogen fuel cell type thing that feeds into the air intake?

glad i'm not on my own!

 

[bubbles1]

I know! It's how to make moon shine while driving!

 

[MJ]

I know! It's how to make moon shine while driving!

now i'm interested!

 

[enigma]

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after some googling it is nitrogen for the engine , made by running a current through distilled water and baking soda , however its pretty damn explosive so my question would be how safe is a diy rig of it , obviously using it in a diesel it explodes due to temperature but at what temperature range does it ignite? , eg is a really hot day and engine bay going to set it off or if you had an accident would a stray spark send it up ? , not sure id want a little canister of it sat under my bonnet lol

 

[MarkWales]

Its not nitrogen its hydrogen and oxygen

water is H2O - H =Hydrogen and O = Oxygen

they are splitting the water into the the 2 gases and running it through there engines

 

[MJ]

what are the advantages of this mark?

 

[Seatmann]

Looks like a pile of kak to me.

 

[enigma]

Its not nitrogen its hydrogen and oxygen

water is H2O - H =Hydrogen and O = Oxygen

they are splitting the water into the the 2 gases and running it through there engines

haha my bad was reading about different gases typed the wrong one

 

[Sinbad]

Snake oil! :d

 

[MarkWales]

extra Oxygen will aid diesel combustion and Hydrogen is a highly flammable gas - having looked a little more dont think I will try this

 

[sssstew]

sounds to me like its doing something for the sake of it.

 

[OLDOILER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_fIEeCa1H0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv-r5m_8-JY

just two quick video showing what I am on about

and it is "brown gas" Have built a basic one but you need to produce around 1.5 ltr/per/min to make a workable system, and link the amount of electrical power put into the cell with the ECU output parameters. The gas is ONLY made on demand and there is NO storage like high pressure fuel cell's that the automotive industry talk about. You would only have to top up with a water mix every month or so. I might expore it again now we have had another fuel duty hike. .................

 

[Sinbad]

The energy required to split water into hydrogen and oxygen is always more than the energy released by combustion of the two gases. Basic physics.

 

[ratgreen]

I cant imagine this making much of a a difference, besides making hydrogen and oxygen uses electricity, and that power is coming from the alternator anyway.

 

[Modelmakerman]

I cant imagine this making much of a a difference, besides making hydrogen and oxygen uses electricity, and that power is coming from the alternator anyway.

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

As ratgreen and sindbad say it takes more energy (in this case electricity) to create the gas than the amount of energy exerted by the gas when burnt, it has to be this way otherwise you would have created perpetual motion and this is physically impossible!

So to sum it all up: any power gained by running the cell and burning the resulting gas is lost plus som of the engines existing power to run the alternator and generate the electricity. Any positive effect perceived from running the cell would be a placebo.

 

[bisto48]

Was meant to be doing some work on this for a canal boat engine supplier using the same principle. (but the patent wasnt avaliable on it) But it did help reduce the engine nox and hc emissions by quite a lot and did improve the power slightly. On a car i wouldnt see the point as it weighs quite a lot and as others say it uses a lot of battery power. On the boat it wouldnt matter as they weigh around 40 ton and they tend to run 240v alternators

 

[tarntrooper]

ok i have looked in to this hho dry cell and intend to build one myself and have reserched this intensly it is huge in the usa simpley duw to the silly big size engine thay run and ther is a large comunity out ther in to the and yes the laws of phisics says you do not get more out than you put in hawever with the advansers in tek from the usa that has been built for runing hho in to cars thay are getting good results and perpechuel mosion it is not becos perpecuel mosion means you are not using any fuel of power sors and the thing e.g magnet moter will never need topping up but a hho dry cell will need topping up with water so you are using a fuel and the fuel is water . ther are a lot of thers about car comanys get back anders of oil companys to not build hho systems in to ther cars but i beleav it is simply becos thay require mantaning and joy public well lets face it some people for get to put oil in ther car some even put petrel in disels and vise verser .if you look hard inuf and keep a open mind you can find lots of people runing generaters with hho systems and the generaters powering the hho systems with power to spare this is not perpecuel motion like i said becos the water needs toping up . just to try to clear any thing up it is water and electrilight the electrilight is potasien hydroxid this alows the water to be spilt in to its elements 2 parts hydrgen and 1 part oxygen and both gases are hightly flamabal and the cars need the ecu's to be tricked becos of the exses oxygen the oxygen senser will read a higher volum of oxygen and increas the amout of fuel with is not what you want companys out ther have made devises called EFIE wich will trick the ecu in to beleving oxgen levels are normal and people have lernt if they fit a pmw pulse width modulaer to power the hho systems thay get beter afishensy . it duz need to be afishent or ther is no point to doing it at all thay try to acheve 5.5ml of gas per watt of power put in and for wat the usa call small engins e.g 2leter you are looking to produce 1.5 leter of gas a minut . i hope i hav cleared some questyons up i do not clame to know ever thing on the subject but i will put a hho dry cell on my car and post any results or and by the way if it dos work as pland i will hav a gain of between 20% and 50% mpg gain plus a smother throtel respons . I have a seat ibiza 1.9 tdi s 90 bhp 120000 on clock and it runs like a dream still getting 50plus mpg you will have to excuse the spelling i am dislecsic .