Hybrid K04 log

[jonathanp]

This is following on from another thread (link at the bottom) but could I get some opinions on the following logs. I've been told I should have at least 300bhp but the car doesn't seem much quicker than when I was on the standard turbo with APR stage 2 and the logs are showing a gain of around 0.1 - 0.2bar and the MAF values don't seem to be that high

LCR225 with Hybrid K04, forge tip, green panel filter, 3" blueflame turbo back exhaust with decat.

                          Block 002                               Block 118

                 RPM     Load    Inj     MAF             RPM   Temp   Load   Pressure
                     
1st run
        183.16	3320	33.1	3.06	20.89	182.86	3320	19	0	1040
	183.76	3360	90.2	10.54	71.06	183.46	3320	19	0	1040
	184.36	3480	179.7	18.36	156.5	184.06	3400	19	95.3	1400
	184.97	3720	191.7	21.08	148.72	184.67	3600	21	49.4	2360
	185.67	4000	191.7	21.42	158.11	185.36	3880	19	52.9	2370
	186.28	4240	191.7	21.76	167.97	185.97	4120	18	54.5	2360
	186.88	4480	191.7	21.76	174.5	186.58	4360	19	54.1	2420
	187.48	4720	191.7	21.08	181.11	187.18	4600	20	55.7	2410
	188.09	4960	191.7	21.08	186.44	187.78	4800	21	56.9	2370
	188.69	5160	191.7	21.08	196.64	188.39	5040	21	55.3	2320
	189.29	5360	191.7	20.4	203.42	188.99	5240	21	56.9	2260
	189.89	5560	191.7	20.74	206.61	189.6	5440	23	60	2330
	190.5	5720	190.2	20.06	210.78	190.2	5640	24	58.4	2280
	191.1	5920	188	19.72	215.25	190.8	5800	24	60.8	2240
	191.71	6040	188	19.72	213.86	191.41	6000	25	64.3	2250
	192.32	6200	184.2	19.04	214.53	192.01	6160	27	63.5	2280
	192.93	6360	181.2	18.7	215.5	192.61	6280	27	66.7	2240
	193.53	6520	166.2	17.34	218.56	193.22	6440	29	65.9	2170
	194.12	6640	171.4	18.02	217.25	193.82	6560	30	65.9	2260
	194.73	6720	174.4	18.7	216.61	194.42	6680	30	62.4	2230

2nd run
	106.63	4880	191.7	21.42	186.89	106.93	5000	21	56.1	2300
	107.23	5120	191.7	21.08	196	107.53	5240	21	56.5	2300
	107.84	5320	191.7	21.08	202.42	108.14	5400	22	58.8	2290
	108.44	5520	188.7	19.72	204.44	108.75	5600	23	71.8	2330
	109.14	5720	191	19.72	214.53	109.45	5800	24	63.9	2330
	109.75	5920	191.7	19.72	215.94	110.05	5960	25	65.5	2290
	110.35	6080	189.5	19.72	215.58	110.65	6160	26	67.5	2170
	110.95	6200	183.5	19.04	216.97	111.26	6320	27	63.5	2250
	111.57	6360	185.7	19.38	219.06	111.86	6440	28	63.9	2260
	112.17	6520	162.4	17	216.39	112.47	6600	29	67.1	2240

3rd run
	282.35	2360	33.1	3.06	14.86	282.05	2360	18	0	1010
	282.95	2400	89.5	8.5	48	282.65	2360	18	97.6	980
	283.55	2440	116.5	10.54	64.03	283.25	2440	18	96.5	1230
	284.16	2560	153.4	13.94	89	283.85	2480	18	95.3	1590
	284.75	2680	180.5	17	93	284.45	2600	18	43.5	2050
	285.37	2760	180.5	16.32	96.94	285.06	2720	18	40.4	2100
	285.97	2920	183.5	16.66	102.58	285.65	2840	17	39.6	2110
	286.57	3040	185.7	17	106.03	286.27	2960	17	38.8	2120
	287.17	3160	185.7	17.68	111.33	286.86	3080	17	38.4	2120
	287.77	3280	188.7	19.04	119.11	287.48	3200	17	41.2	2120
	288.38	3400	191.7	19.72	129.67	288.08	3320	17	40	2150
	288.97	3520	191.7	19.72	131.47	288.68	3440	17	40.4	2170
	289.59	3640	191	19.72	136.19	289.29	3600	17	42.7	2160
	290.18	3760	191.7	20.06	140.17	289.89	3720	18	44.3	2170
	290.8	3880	191.7	20.74	155.69	290.49	3840	18	48.2	2190
	291.4	4000	191.7	21.42	156.58	291.1	3960	19	51.8	2420
	292	4120	191.7	22.1	162.25	291.7	4080	20	54.9	2390
	292.6	4240	191.7	21.42	161.25	292.3	4200	21	53.3	2390
	293.21	4360	191.7	21.76	166.14	292.91	4320	21	54.9	2420
	293.81	4480	191.7	21.76	172.08	293.51	4440	21	55.3	2420
	294.41	4600	191.7	20.74	173.53	294.11	4560	23	55.3	2370
	295.01	4720	191.7	21.08	177.47	294.72	4640	23	54.9	2360
	295.62	4800	191.7	20.74	184.11	295.32	4760	24	56.5	2370
	296.23	4920	191.7	21.42	185.39	295.92	4880	24	54.9	2370
	296.83	5040	191.7	21.42	193.08	296.53	5000	25	56.1	2360
	297.43	5120	191.7	20.74	195.03	297.13	5080	26	56.5	2320
	298.04	5240	191.7	21.42	198.86	297.74	5200	27	57.3	2330
	298.64	5360	191	20.06	200.81	298.34	5280	27	56.1	2310
	299.24	5440	191.7	21.08	206.28	298.94	5400	28	58.8	2310
	299.84	5520	191.7	20.06	206.03	299.55	5480	29	59.6	2270
	300.46	5600	191.7	20.74	208.42	300.15	5560	29	59.2	2280

Original thread regarding setup of car

 

[DPJ]

Seem quite respectable figures to me.

Without seeing boost requested v actual - or N75 duty, it's a bit difficult to comment further.

 

[jonathanp]

N75 duty is on block 118, under the heading load. Rarely goes above 70 so I'm guessing its meeting requested fine (no major leaks etc).

Thing that concerns me is that it doesn't feel like a 300bhp car and is only running a tad more boost than when it was 270bhp on the old turbo.

 

[DPJ]

N75 duty is on block 118, under the heading load. ......

Sorry, my bad, I know that. Busy morning.
Requested v actual boost - block 115.

Get it rolling roaded - only way to tell.

 

[jonathanp]

Yeah, I'll have to see when the next one is. Bit short of time though lately

I've never really been happy with the new turbo and map (£2k+ for a loss of low/mid range power and a gain of 2psi max top end)

Been wanting to get this sorted for a while but have recently got married and would've been killed if I spent more attention on the car than the wedding, lol.

Isn't there a calculation way to get an idea of power from boost produced, temp and MAF etc?

 

[wild willy]

looks good to me especially as you have no spiking issues. it looks like theres plenty left but as Dave is recommending without seeing log of 115 it may simply be a case that your map is not asking enough.

 

[Wilko]

From your maf reading you have somewhere between 270 and 290hp.
If your maf previously read 200 peak g/s you has between 250 and 260hp.
You will have gained 20-30hp.

 

[DPJ]

...... it looks like theres plenty left but as Dave is recommending without seeing log of 115 it may simply be a case that your map is not asking enough.

Yeah, that was my assumption- like I said 115 would help give a more complete picture.

 

[jonathanp]

I'll do another log on block 115, I just figured if the N75 duty wasn't that high then that would indicate that actual is meeting requested

I know there is more to come from the turbo but they won't set the boost any higher yet they say I should have 300bhp easy which I'm not sure of

MAF readings on APR were normally just over 210g/s

 

[-pseudonymous-]

I think its worth bearing in mind that its not just about peak figures, its more how power is delivered and how long its there for. It would be good to see a log of block 115 along with 114. As Wilko said maf readings equate to around 285bhp by using the formula (bhp x 1.31) this is only a rough guide mind....

Im assuming you have a wideband lambda fitted? If so have you done any logs as regards to fueling? Block 033 i think it is. Might be worth checking your timing retard on block 020 also.

 

[jonathanp]

So logging two blocks at a time
I'll do :-

115 and 114
020 and 033
maybe also 031?

whats best for these 4th gear run from 2k to red line? Think I might need to put a shout out for someone to do the logging while I'm driving, lol

 

[DPJ]

003 and 020
115 and 031
118 and 032
002 and 114

 

[jonathanp]

Managed to do a bit of logging on the weekend of the following blocks

003 and 020
115 and 031
118 and 032
002 and 114

also logged EGT's on block 112 which sometimes go as high as 935 celsius at the red line

	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		RPM   Mass Flow	 Load   Ign. Timing		Idle Stabilization
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW
	0.29	1480	26.08	31	-2.3	0.01	0	0	0	0
	0.89	1320	15.81	10.2	7.5	0.59	0	0	0	0
	1.5	1760	21.61	13.3	26.3	1.2	0	0	0	0
	2.11	2280	28.47	15.3	27.8	1.79	0	0	0	0
	2.71	2080	3.39	3.1	6.8	2.41	0	0	0	0
	3.3	1800	32.5	86.3	15	3	0	0	0	0
	3.91	2080	38.33	22.7	21	3.6	0	0	0	0
	4.52	1880	3.72	2.7	6.8	4.22	0	0	0	0
	5.11	1280	19.17	18.4	16.5	4.82	0	0	0	0
	5.72	1320	23.92	71	15	5.41	0	0	0	0
	6.33	1440	23.31	19.6	8.3	6.02	0	0	0	0
	6.92	1520	17.47	12.5	20.3	6.62	0	0	0	0
	7.54	1640	24.47	18	21	7.22	0	0	0	0
	8.13	1720	32.19	32.9	16.5	7.83	0	0	0	0
	8.74	1880	34.92	27.1	11.3	8.43	0	0	0	0
	9.34	2000	45.08	95.3	14.3	9.04	0	0	0	0
	9.95	2120	55.36	100	9.8	9.64	0	0	0	0
	10.56	2320	69.11	100	9	10.24	0	0	0	0
	11.16	2520	92.08	100	3	10.85	0	0	0	0
	11.75	2720	95.89	100	3	11.45	0	0	0	0
	12.37	2960	102.86	100	3	12.07	0	0	0	0
	12.97	3200	114.22	100	3.8	12.66	0	0	0	0
	13.57	3400	128.31	100	6	13.28	0	0	0	0
	14.17	3640	131.33	100	8.3	13.87	0	0	0	0
	14.77	3880	153.56	100	9	14.47	0	0	0	0
	15.38	4120	163.25	100	10.5	15.08	0	0	0	0
	15.99	4400	173.53	100	9.8	15.68	0	0	0	0
	16.59	4640	175.25	100	12.8	16.29	0	0	0	0
	17.19	4880	184.14	100	13.5	16.89	0	0	0	0
	17.8	5080	197.33	100	15	17.5	0	0	0	0
	18.4	5320	205.17	100	15	18.1	0	3	0	3
	19.01	5520	205.78	100	14.3	18.7	0	3	0	3
	19.61	5720	211.81	100	12.8	19.3	0	3	3	3
	20.21	5880	213.5	100	15	19.91	0	2.3	3	2.3
	20.82	6040	216.28	100	12	20.51	0	2.3	3	2.3
	21.42	6200	216.28	99.6	18	21.11	0	2.3	2.3	2.3
	22.02	6360	216.28	100	16.5	21.72	0	2.3	2.3	1.5
	22.63	6520	217.67	99.6	16.5	22.32	0	1.5	2.3	1.5
	23.24	6640	218.56	100	18	22.93	0	1.5	2.3	1.5

	Group A:	'115				Group B:	'031			
		RPM	Load	Boost	Boost		Lambda Factor	
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP				
	0.01	1880	106	1840	1340	0.3	1.008	1	        	        
	0.6	2000	117.3	1940	1410	0.92	0.961	0.961	        	        
	1.22	2160	128.6	2080	1560	1.51	0.953	0.953	        	        
	1.81	2320	145.1	2100	1740	2.11	0.922	0.953	        	        
	2.41	2520	170.7	2100	2050	2.73	0.969	0.953	        	        
	3.03	2720	178.9	2090	2080	3.34	0.953	0.953	        	        
	3.62	2960	181.2	2100	2120	3.93	0.945	0.938	        	        
	4.24	3160	182	2140	2140	4.54	0.883	0.883	        	        
	4.84	3400	191	2200	2160	5.14	0.86	0.852	        	        
	5.43	3640	190.2	2270	2170	5.74	0.844	0.836	        	        
	6.05	3880	191.7	2340	2350	6.35	0.836	0.836	        	        
	6.75	4200	191.7	2380	2420	7.06	0.805	0.828	        	        
	7.35	4440	191.7	2400	2460	7.65	0.844	0.828	        	        
	7.96	4680	191.7	2390	2440	8.26	0.813	0.828	        	        
	8.56	4920	191.7	2390	2440	8.86	0.813	0.828	        	        
	9.18	5160	191.7	2380	2390	9.47	0.821	0.828	        	        
	9.77	5360	191.7	2360	2350	10.07	0.813	0.828	        	        
	10.37	5560	191.7	2350	2370	10.67	0.844	0.828	        	        
	10.97	5760	191.7	2330	2300	11.28	0.821	0.828	        	        
	11.58	5960	185.7	2310	2300	11.88	0.813	0.828	        	        
	12.18	6080	183.5	2290	2270	12.48	0.821	0.828	        	        
	12.78	6280	180.5	2280	2300	13.1	0.813	0.828	        	        
	13.39	6400	170.7	2270	2260	13.69	0.821	0.828	        	        
	13.99	6520	178.2	2240	2220	14.29	0.813	0.828

	Group A:	'118				Group B:	'032			
		RPM	Temp   Load     Boost		Lambda	Lambda	
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar	STAMP	 %	 %		
	0.4	1800	33	100	1030	0.01	0.9	7.8	        	        
	1.01	1880	32	100	1160	0.7	0.9	7.8	        	        
	1.61	2000	30	100	1300	1.32	0.9	7.8	        	        
	2.21	2120	30	100	1430	1.91	0.9	7.8	        	        
	2.82	2240	29	99.6	1620	2.53	0.9	7.8	        	        
	3.43	2440	28	96.5	1870	3.12	0.9	7.8	        	        
	4.02	2640	28	41.6	2150	3.73	0.9	7.8	        	        
	4.64	2840	27	42	2140	4.34	0.9	7.8	        	        
	5.24	3040	27	41.6	2150	4.94	0.9	7.8	        	        
	5.85	3280	27	42	2170	5.55	0.9	7.8	        	        
	6.44	3520	27	44.7	2210	6.15	0.9	7.8	        	        
	7.05	3760	27	48.2	2210	6.75	0.9	7.8	        	        
	7.65	3960	27	58.4	2480	7.35	0.9	7.8	        	        
	8.26	4240	28	59.6	2480	7.96	0.9	7.8	        	        
	8.86	4480	29	58	2430	8.56	0.9	7.8	        	        
	9.47	4720	30	60.4	2430	9.16	0.9	7.8	        	        
	10.07	4960	30	58	2450	9.77	0.9	7	        	        
	10.67	5160	32	60.8	2370	10.37	0.9	7	        	        
	11.28	5400	33	61.2	2360	10.98	0.9	7	        	        
	11.88	5600	33	62	2330	11.58	0.9	7	        	        
	12.5	5760	34	0	2180	12.18	0.9	7	        	        
	44.16	1920	27	0	1110	44.47	0.9	7.8	        	        
	44.76	1960	28	0	1040	45.06	0.9	7.8	        	        
	45.36	2000	29	100	1150	45.66	0.9	7.8	        	        
	45.97	2120	29	100	1340	46.27	0.9	7.8	        	        
	46.58	2280	28	99.6	1560	46.87	0.9	7.8	        	        
	47.18	2440	28	96.5	1840	47.48	0.9	7.8	        	        
	47.8	2640	29	40.4	2130	48.09	0.9	7.8	        	        
	48.39	2840	27	40.4	2120	48.69	0.9	7.8	        	        
	48.99	3040	27	39.6	2140	49.3	0.9	7.8	        	        
	49.59	3280	27	42.7	2170	49.9	0.9	7.8	        	        
	50.2	3480	27	44.3	2220	50.5	0.9	7.8	        	        
	50.81	3760	27	51.4	2210	51.11	0.9	7.8	        	        
	51.41	4000	28	55.7	2460	51.71	0.9	7.8	        	        
	52.01	4240	29	57.3	2470	52.31	0.9	7.8	        	        
	52.62	4480	30	58.8	2450	52.92	0.9	7.8	        	        
	53.22	4720	30	56.1	2410	53.52	0.9	7	        	        
	53.82	4960	32	58.8	2420	54.12	0.9	7	        	        
	54.43	5160	33	58.4	2350	54.73	0.9	7	        	        
	55.03	5360	33	59.2	2360	55.33	0.9	7	        	        
	55.63	5600	34	59.2	2280	55.94	0.9	7	        	        
	56.24	5800	35	62	2370	56.54	0.9	7	        	        
	56.84	5960	36	62.4	2380	57.14	0.9	7	        	        
	57.44	6120	37	60.4	2290	57.74	0.9	7	        	        
	58.05	6280	38	62	2290	58.35	0.9	7	        	        
	58.65	6400	39	59.2	2270	58.95	0.9	7	        	        
	59.25	6560	39	64.3	2260	59.56	0.9	7	        	        
	59.86	6680	40	63.5	2280	60.17	0.9	7	        	        
	60.46	6800	41	63.5	2240	60.76	0.9	7	        	        
	61.08	6920	42	60	2340	61.37	0.9	7.8	        	        
	61.68	6080	39	0	1340	61.96	0.9	7.8	        	        
	62.27	4520	38	0	1240	62.57	0.9	7.8

	Group A:	'002				Group B:	'114			
		RPM	Load	Inj   Mass Flow		Load	Load	Load	Load
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 %	 %	 %	 %
	0.01	1920	13.5	0	5.19	0.3	142.9	141.8	13.5	0
	0.6	1880	13.5	2.04	5.08	0.92	142.9	141.8	80.5	100
	1.22	1960	87.2	8.5	37.11	1.52	148.9	147.8	94	100
	1.82	2080	101.5	9.52	46.31	2.12	162.4	161.2	110.5	100
	2.42	2200	118.8	10.88	56.53	2.72	166.9	165.7	127.8	99.2
	3.03	2400	138.3	12.58	69.67	3.32	169.2	167.2	150.4	95.7
	3.63	2560	169.2	15.3	96.72	3.93	171.4	170.1	180.5	42
	4.24	2800	180.5	16.66	95.67	4.54	172.9	171.6	182.7	42.7
	4.84	3040	183.5	16.66	108.64	5.14	176.7	174.6	186.5	42.4
	5.44	3280	188.7	18.36	120.64	5.73	181.2	179.1	190.2	44.3
	6.05	3520	191.7	20.06	133.86	6.35	185.7	183.6	191.7	47.1
	6.65	3760	191.7	19.72	138.94	6.95	191.7	189.6	191.7	57.6
	7.25	4000	191.7	21.76	165.86	7.55	191.7	194	191.7	58
	7.86	4240	191.7	22.1	172.33	8.16	191.7	197	191.7	58.4
	8.46	4520	191.7	21.76	180.64	8.76	191.7	198.5	191.7	58.4
	9.06	4760	191.7	21.42	183.36	9.37	191.7	198.5	191.7	57.6
	9.67	4960	191.7	21.08	191.56	9.97	191.7	200	191.7	59.2
	10.27	5160	191.7	21.42	197.33	10.57	191.7	200	191.7	58.4
	10.87	5400	191.7	21.42	202.17	11.18	191.7	200	191.7	60.4
	11.48	5560	191.7	20.74	207.78	11.78	191.7	198.5	191.7	60.4
	12.08	5720	191.7	21.08	211.14	12.38	191.7	198.5	191.7	59.6
	12.69	5840	191.7	20.06	212.14	12.99	191.7	197	187.2	58.8
	13.29	6000	184.2	19.04	214.53	13.59	191.7	195.5	185	60.8
	13.89	6160	187.2	19.38	216.28	14.19	191.7	194	171.4	62.4
	14.5	6280	186.5	19.72	216.28	14.8	191.7	194	182	60.8
	15.1	6440	184.2	19.38	216.97	15.4	191.7	192.5	172.9	62.4
	15.7	6520	183.5	19.38	215.94	16	191.7	192.5	175.2	62.7
	16.31	6640	175.9	18.7	219.86	16.61	191.7	191	186.5	59.2

 

[wild willy]

Absolutely nothing wrong with those logs that i can see. Plenty left in the duty cycle to reach 1.4 @ red line. Its simply a case of adjusting the map to request more.
Excellent early spool with no spiking. i'd be well happy with that.
If its custom code you can up boost request yourself, pm Bill badger.

 

[jonathanp]

thanks for the replies, cars drives well except for the odd cough and splutter just doesn't seem that different than the old turbo. I'll have to try and find some logs from a standard k04 and compare.

Unfortunately the tuner wont push it any further despite them telling me a very different story when they were trying to sell me the product, about two weeks after the work was done and money paid they said they wont push it any further for fear of snapping a rod. Wish they'ld told me that in the first place as I wouldn't have had the work done.

Bit of a rant there, sorry about that. Still boils my p**s now when I think about it

I meant to ask you before Carl, whats the difference between your custom TIP and the forge one?