Instrument Cluster Problems

[keepthefaith]

Hi

Wondering if any of you guys have come across this before..

I've got an 130PD TDI Sport on a 52 plate

About 16 Months ago maybe more my Tacho suddenly started to intermittently fail, it basically works but it offsets itself and continues to work but with a huge offset. Idle is saying just over 5000RPM. Had it checked out with a local specialist on the VAG COM and it reported back that there wasn't a problem, well there clearly! I rang my local dealer and they hadn't heard of the problem and said that you may need a new instrument cluster at a cost of around £500. So of course I then thought I can live without it at that price...

But now my Temp gauge has gone. Not intermittent this time just no signal at all when all the other gauges are reading normal bar the tacho.

First of all has anyone experienced these problems? or anyone have any fixes?tips?

I need to check the ground wiring to the instument cluster. is it easyily accessable?

Has anyone removed the dash? or bought a new one due to this type of problem?

Any help would be much appreciated.

 

[Nath.]

The temp gauge problem could just be the temp sender has failed

The rev counter one is a bit odd but if you do a search there is info on here but it's not good news info, the dealer is probably right with the new cluster diagnosis

 

[goble]

remove and strip down the cluster from its casing the connector that is soldered onto the pcb on the left hanside will be loose due to poor soldering get an electronics repairer to resolder the terminals.

 

[keepthefaith]

thanks for the info guys, probs will give it a try and then if it still doesn't work head to the dealer!

 

[Irek]

Did you get the problem fixed at the end? The same thing has happened to me

 

[attila_tdi]

I had this last year. Its a very common on 6 dial cluster for ibiza.

Its caused by the solders degrading on the main socket behind the cluster (positioned around thr 120mph mark. There's about 40/50pins that need resoldering.

I removed the cluster and dismantled it myself then took it to a computer shop to resolder. No problems so far since last year.


If you push down on the 120mph mark sometimes it comes back to life but this wont resolve the issue.

 

[Irek]

Thanks for that mate, am gonna have to check that out and take it apart again

 

[Priezti]

If after soldering the problem persists then it's more than likely the microprocessor on the cluster has failed. This happened to me. Do you have the SKC or PIN for your car? you can buy second hand VDO clusters that will work, even if they're 4 dial and only go to 140mph. They will need programming in to the car using VAG-COM, you will need the PIN for the replacement clusters though, this can be read with them fitted to the car using VAG-TACHO or similar software, proper diagnostics equipment etc.

Hope that makes sense, I'm in a rush

 

[Irek]

Cheers for that reply priezti, my gauges have been resolded before I got the car so there wount be much poin doing it again when it didn't fix the problem in first place, so I was thinking of changing the cluster, would the new cluster have to be off a diesel ibiza, and does it matter of model of ibiza like would mk3 fit it? Also how hard is reprogramming them? I have vagcom but it's not a full version, also how would I reprogram the key immobiliser?

 

[Bregt14]

I have the same problem. When I start I get the beeps of high temperature and the flashing red light ( continuous), my fuel level is always empty, sometimes my speed or RPM falls away and when I stop sometimes they come back.
I resoldered everything but it didn`t went away.
So I bought an other cluster and installed it but I have still the same problem!!
I checked many cables for damage but couldn`t find anything. In the motorcompartiment I checked the grounds but everything was ok.
HELP!
Ps: When I use outputtest in VAGCOM, everything is ok. The sweep works perfectly and the 1/2 way of the reading too.

 

[Bregt14]

I tested everything
https://youtu.be/SIZIcSWYTBo
So with the pc it works
Fuel gauge doesn't work correctly, beeper goes off and got the 2 airco-errors
VAG-COM Version: Release 311.2-N

Chassis Type: 6L - Seat Ibiza
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,15,17,19,37,44,46,56,69

Address 01 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 038 906 019 DQ
Component: 1,9l R4 EDC G000SG 1536
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 06403
VSSZZZ6LZ3R058303 SEZAZ0B2000103
1 Fault Found:
17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 35-10 - - - Intermittent
Readiness: N/A

Address 03 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6Q0 907 379 H
Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT V20
Coding: 00188
Shop #: WSC 06403
No fault code found.

Address 08 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6L0 820 045
Component: Klimaanlage X0840
8 Faults Found:
01271 - Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
01271 - Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
29-00 - Short to Ground
01271 - Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
28-10 - Short to B+ - Intermittent
01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
28-10 - Short to B+ - Intermittent
01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
55-00 - Adaptation Not Successful

Address 09 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6Q1 937 049 C
Component: 00 BN-SG. 1S33
Coding: 00140
Shop #: WSC 06403
1 Fault Found:
01598 - Drive Battery Voltage
07-10 - Signal to Low - Intermittent

Skipping Address 15-Airbags

Address 17 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6L0 920 830 K
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP TRW V01
Coding: 00145
Shop #: WSC 34490
VSSZZZ6LZ3R058303 SEZAZ0B2000103
3 Faults Found:
00771 - Fuel Level Sensor (G)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
00779 - Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
30-10 - Open or Short to B+ - Intermittent
01176 - Key
07-10 - Signal to Low - Intermittent

Address 19 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6N0 909 901
Component: 60 GATEWAY CAN 1S33
Coding: 00014
Shop #: WSC 06403
No fault code found.

Address 44 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6Q0 423 156 M
Component: LenkhilfeTRW V210
Coding: 00131
Shop #: WSC 06403
No fault code found.

Address 46 -------------------------------------------------------
Controller: 6Q0 959 433 E
Component: 4y Komfortgerát 0002
Coding: 00065
Shop #: WSC 06403
1 Fault Found:
00928 - Locking Module for Central Locking: Front Driver Side (F220)
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent

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HELP..

 

[R3k1355]

Have you stripped it down and resoldered the dodgy connectors on the PCB?

 

[DavieTDI]

I tried this and it only worked for a week. Just get a new one from eBay. Don't get the same as yours as they are all crap

 

[R3k1355]

Not all resolder jobs work unfortunately, make sure you've got a mate with VCDS to code the new instrument cluster to the car.

 

[Bregt14]

I`ve resoldered everything and it didn`t work. I bought an other cluster, recoded it and it still haves the same problems..

 

[DavieTDI]

Did you buy another cluster with the voltage and oil gauge. As you don't want to do that. You want one without it

 

[Bregt14]

Yes, I wanted the 6-pod gauge.

 

[R3k1355]

Sounds like you bought a ****ed gauge

 

[DavieTDI]

They all have the same fault. Every single one of them Go the same way. Bite the bullet and get an updated one or sit for ever scratching your head

 

[Bregt14]

I understand you opinion but then I don`t have the oil-temperature.