There is, not sure who it is, but I remember reading about he was disappointed with the performance.
Think he said it "just felt heavy" or something along those lines.
Is it worth changing from a Cupra to a Cupra R or a Focus RS
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There is, not sure who it is, but I remember reading about he was disappointed with the performance.
Think he said it "just felt heavy" or something along those lines.
Different strokes for different folks. V8 RS4's do nothing for me at all and I bet they will be worth as much as an E34 or E39 BMW is now in just a couple of years. Or what a V8 Twin Turbo RS6 is worth now, something I would have over a V8 RS4 any day of the week.
Oh, and I can think of lots of iconic cars for £20k, or faster/better ones;
Always wanted one of these when I was growing up and said I'd defo get one when I could afford to get one.
Then changed my mind when I could actualy get one as you can get so mutch more car for the money..
They were awsome back in the day but I just knew I would be disapointed with the performance now
Always wanted one of these when I was growing up and said I'd defo get one when I could afford to get one.
Then changed my mind when I could actualy get one as you can get so mutch more car for the money..
They were awsome back in the day but I just knew I would be disapointed with the performance now
I still think they are awesome now. Bit of tinkering = 400bhp too.
Sorry, but you can't compare Evo's or old Fords to an RS4 whichever way you spin it. On a track, the RS4 would be nudging an Evo to the line where the others would trail by a fair margin. I agree the M5 is a great car, but then it wasn't the equivalent to the RS4.
Thing is though that they are all worth the same amount of money now. A V10 M5 will kill an RS4 and it does everything the RS4 does but without 4x4 - and its nicer inside, has more toys, more kudos and cred. An RS6 will kill an RS4 too and it is everything an RS4 is and more and has 2 turbos on much the same engine, and ts cheaper too. An Evo will kill an RS4 and the Evo X is nice inside compared with the older saloons. Then there is the 335i and M3 which can be had for not far off the same amount now - the M3 I refer to is the V8 one of course . And a quick map on the 335i will see it easily handle an RS4...
The comment about the RS4 being an iconic car to me is a joke as the RS4 is nothing like a true iconic car and in my opinion never will be - not like the old Audi Quattro was/is, or the Escorth RS Cosworth, RS500 Sierra etc which were all legendary and ground breaking with a proper racing pedigree. What has the RS4 ever done?!
On a track, an RS4 is nothing special at all as its heavy and the handling is nowhere near special. Any of the above cars would beat an RS4 in pretty much every way (save for performance of the iconic cars, but they are 20+ years old now - but icons nonetheless and with a bit of ecu magic and a couple of add ons like intakes and exhausts could chase the RS4 even now....)
. And a quick map on the 335i will see it easily handle an RS4...The comment about the RS4 being an iconic car to me is a joke as the RS4 is nothing like a true iconic car and in my opinion never will be - not like the old Audi Quattro was/is, or the Escorth RS Cosworth, RS500 Sierra etc which were all legendary and ground breaking with a proper racing pedigree. What has the RS4 ever done?!
On a track, an RS4 is nothing special at all as its heavy and the handling is nowhere near special. Any of the above cars would beat an RS4 in pretty much every way (save for performance of the iconic cars, but they are 20+ years old now - but icons nonetheless and with a bit of ecu magic and a couple of add ons like intakes and exhausts could chase the RS4 even now....)
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Thing is though that they are all worth the same amount of money now. A V10 M5 will kill an RS4 and it does everything the RS4 does but without 4x4 - and its nicer inside, has more toys, more kudos and cred. An RS6 will kill an RS4 too and it is everything an RS4 is and more and has 2 turbos on much the same engine, and ts cheaper too. An Evo will kill an RS4 and the Evo X is nice inside compared with the older saloons. Then there is the 335i and M3 which can be had for not far off the same amount now - the M3 I refer to is the V8 one of course
The comment about the RS4 being an iconic car to me is a joke as the RS4 is nothing like a true iconic car and in my opinion never will be - not like the old Audi Quattro was/is, or the Escorth RS Cosworth, RS500 Sierra etc which were all legendary and ground breaking with a proper racing pedigree. What has the RS4 ever done?!
On a track, an RS4 is nothing special at all as its heavy and the handling is nowhere near special. Any of the above cars would beat an RS4 in pretty much every way (save for performance of the iconic cars, but they are 20+ years old now - but icons nonetheless and with a bit of ecu magic and a couple of add ons like intakes and exhausts could chase the RS4 even now....)
well said AlAlways wanted one of these when I was growing up and said I'd defo get one when I could afford to get one.
Then changed my mind when I could actualy get one as you can get so mutch more car for the money..
They were awsome back in the day but I just knew I would be disapointed with the performance now
i wanted 1 and still do same with the Sierra RS500 i saw plenty of both of them at the FORD FAIR i wanted 1 there and then but sometimes it's best not to drive your dream car's as you mite be dissapointed with them
really? i've been told bad thing's about DSG box's yeh i looked tonite at them £25K plus for 1 sound's crazy to me when a RS or a Renaultsport 250 are starting around £17k for a decent spec version the other thing with the Megane is the exhaust it's crap no noise, nothing which is bad for a car that look's that gorgeous and goes like stink
I was going to go focus rs but you guys kinda talked me round, alot extra money for minimal extra power and tuning cupra cheaper, but rs look nicer inside I think and less suttle like the chavesk focus rs don't get me wrong I love them don't care what people think, stick with cupra tune,
I know what you mean, the Focus RS, in my opinion looks fantastic, really aggressive and masculine, I would love one but its slightly smeared with chav, and i imagine most people will know one when they see one, regardless of what colour, you choose, and i cant help but think that they're near the top of thieves "to steal" list. The Focus ST i wouldn't really entertain, although a lot less subtle, you'd always have an inferiority complex with the RS.
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Well we will have to agree to disagree i'm afraid. Having experienced them all (apart from the Evo FQ400 which is just a track toy), the RS4 certainly doesn't feel heavy, slow or outhandled compared to any of the others mentioned and would be alot faster than the RS6 on a track. Yes, the Fords are iconic, but for what reason? And the M5 has alot thirstier V10 than the V8?
Although i will say i do love them for what they are, the RS500 was brought out to try and boost Ford's Motorsport footprint, but still lost out to BMW in the WTC and they were hopeless in WRC unless it was dry tarmac! Hardly groundbreaking...... Most of the so called Hot Escort's were loved by boy racers and continue to be driven by them (when they're not melting their pistons to the block...), with the exeption of the Cosworth which let's be fair, is just a Mk5 Escort with 4WD and a Cosworth lump
I'm not really sure how anyone can say that Audi are not an iconic brand after re-inventing and dominating WRC all those years ago. The same technology still goes into the 4WD systems of today and is totally evident in my opinion
Although i will say i do love them for what they are, the RS500 was brought out to try and boost Ford's Motorsport footprint, but still lost out to BMW in the WTC and they were hopeless in WRC unless it was dry tarmac! Hardly groundbreaking...... Most of the so called Hot Escort's were loved by boy racers and continue to be driven by them (when they're not melting their pistons to the block...), with the exeption of the Cosworth which let's be fair, is just a Mk5 Escort with 4WD and a Cosworth lump
I'm not really sure how anyone can say that Audi are not an iconic brand after re-inventing and dominating WRC all those years ago. The same technology still goes into the 4WD systems of today and is totally evident in my opinion
Well we will have to agree to disagree i'm afraid. Having experienced them all (apart from the Evo FQ400 which is just a track toy), the RS4 certainly doesn't feel heavy, slow or outhandled compared to any of the others mentioned and would be alot faster than the RS6 on a track. Yes, the Fords are iconic, but for what reason? And the M5 has alot thirstier V10 than the V8?
Although i will say i do love them for what they are, the RS500 was brought out to try and boost Ford's Motorsport footprint, but still lost out to BMW in the WTC and they were hopeless in WRC unless it was dry tarmac! Hardly groundbreaking...... Most of the so called Hot Escort's were loved by boy racers and continue to be driven by them (when they're not melting their pistons to the block...), with the exeption of the Cosworth which let's be fair, is just a Mk5 Escort with 4WD and a Cosworth lump
I'm not really sure how anyone can say that Audi are not an iconic brand after re-inventing and dominating WRC all those years ago. The same technology still goes into the 4WD systems of today and is totally evident in my opinion
Again - what makes the RS4 iconic? Its an A4 Quattro with a V8 engine. Thats all.
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Everybody has a view about the Sierra Cosworth and most of the time they are through rose tinted glasses...
Very true, and to be fair, i really like to see them still. But put 25k in my hand and give me the choice of an RS4 or an almost 30 year old Sierra.......
The thing is, its a lot more than just the extra power your buying!
Tuning wise, Stage 1 agreed, the cupra does give more bang for buck. Stage 2 costs about the same to get to on the Cupra and RS and will see aprox 320bhp in a cupra and 350bhp on a RS. However, the next stage will see a RS with 400 bhp and a Cupra with 360 bhp and by my reckoning will cost about £500 more on the cupra.
Not being blinded by power figures alone though, you need to take into account other factors.
Firstly, the gearing on the RS is set up better for extra power. I noticed on the cupra, even at stage 2, the gears feel way too short as the engine just pushes through the revs too quickly. This in turn causes problems with wheelspin. The mechanical front diff on the RS is again another feature thats better set up to handle the extra power and puts the power down better, through wider tyres. Again, an RS will run at 400bhp for years without problems with the toughened engine internals and a standard clutch which is safely rated to 450bhp. With a 360bhp cupra your gonna be needing a new uprated clutch before long at least, so you really need to budget for that as well.
I think the Escort RS etc is iconic as most of there is a whole generation that had posters of them on our walls when we were 12!
It was loud, brash and a bit of a hooligan. It stuck 2 fingers up to conformity whith its styling.
I would have loved one when I was 17 but I dont think I could spend £20,000 on one today unless I was a millionaire with space in a heated garage. The RS on the other hand is totally practical to use as an everyday car and standard vs standard has been proven to destroy a escort RS in every catagory except the 0-30 sprint despite its extra weight and FWD setup. Just goes to show how far technology has come on in the last 20 years.
Ford Escort - Most successful rally car of all time.
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth - highly successful in European and World Touring Cars in the 80s and early 90s and winner of the 1987 World Touring Car Championship.
Audi Quattro - Needs no introduction, or Ford RS200 for that matter. Add Group B spec, and you have something that will still show most if not all hot hatches the way down the road even today.
These are just three examples, but all have successful and proven racing background and history, all have their place in history and all are now rare, sought after and will only appreciate in value. The RS4 does not fall in to any of these categories, rose tinted glasses or not. It is a heavy thirsty lumbering beast with note which in reality is slower than its claimed power figure would suggest.
For sure, if you compare new vs old, of course a 20/30 year newer car with twice the displacement, twice the number of cylinders and valves has got a good chance of being "faster". That however is not my point. My point is that the RS4 has nothing to offer to make it iconic and if you spend similar money on something which was and is still iconic today (Evo), you will get from A to B faster every time with as much space, as many toys and with a much bigger smile on your face. Or spend out on an RS6 V8, add a milltek, intake, remap etc for less money and with the extra space, toys and 100+ extra bhp, enjoy passing an RS4 getting death like it is parked.
Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth - highly successful in European and World Touring Cars in the 80s and early 90s and winner of the 1987 World Touring Car Championship.
Audi Quattro - Needs no introduction, or Ford RS200 for that matter. Add Group B spec, and you have something that will still show most if not all hot hatches the way down the road even today.
These are just three examples, but all have successful and proven racing background and history, all have their place in history and all are now rare, sought after and will only appreciate in value. The RS4 does not fall in to any of these categories, rose tinted glasses or not. It is a heavy thirsty lumbering beast with note which in reality is slower than its claimed power figure would suggest.
For sure, if you compare new vs old, of course a 20/30 year newer car with twice the displacement, twice the number of cylinders and valves has got a good chance of being "faster". That however is not my point. My point is that the RS4 has nothing to offer to make it iconic and if you spend similar money on something which was and is still iconic today (Evo), you will get from A to B faster every time with as much space, as many toys and with a much bigger smile on your face. Or spend out on an RS6 V8, add a milltek, intake, remap etc for less money and with the extra space, toys and 100+ extra bhp, enjoy passing an RS4 getting death like it is parked.
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