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Jarre

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Technology advances are such that your chip from 1989 is meaningless.

You get in a standard 1.2TSi then have a go in a 1.2TSi with the map I had on it.

Get in my standard 170 and then have a go in shnazzles 170 stage 2 DPF removed. The difference between the two in terms of power is light and day, seriously.

I'd hazard a guess at you not owning a modern day TV because back in 1989 you only had 4/5 channels and the picture quality is awful, so why bother with a new LED TV and satellite TV?
 
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shnazzle

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Apologising to no one. Its my opinion. Am I not allowed to post my opinion on this site.

Start a new thread mate, a relevant one, this one is NOT about your opinions on remapping. Start one with a title like; "I'm utterly clueless and want to vent my ignorance", or "Stock car vs same remapped car = same power. Discuss"

:cartman::cartman::cartman: See how long you last on here.

This thread is about someone who is very happily switching to another great car and is exploring options (if/when)
 
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kazand

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are you a member of Barryboys.co.uk?? is that your reliable source??

More like the Flat Earth society..... Or the Luddites ...
Back in the day I had a Rover V8, I had the SU carbs increased in size and a free flow exhaust fitted. Improved it no end. Oh and fitted Vitesse brakes so it'd stop quicker too. Dolomite Sprint I had was fitted with a Janspeed exhaust and carbs tweaked again. I dropped a 2.0 engine into a 1300 Fiat 131 - which made a noticeable difference - this was all when ' chips' or re maps were not available or in their infancy. As others have said, manufacturers build engines to a certain standard, both to suit the market and reliability. The engine is usually capable of giving far more power and torque, and this is what is released by tuners, or 'men with lap tops'
As for Mr Skidpans comments of 'VW and its billions know best' just google 'VW PD DPF faults' or 'coil pack problems ' ' TSi twin charge issues' etc.
Oh yes, isn't the Cupra R a Cupra with a remap ?:D
 
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CJRamze

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Apologising to no one. Its my opinion. Am I not allowed to post my opinion on this site.
The problem you have is that your not saying its your Opinion, an Opinion is "Black is nicer than red"

What your doing is spreading misinformation as "Fact" when you have zero evidence to back it up and thousands of people on this forum can provide evidence to counter it.

You might aswell of come onto the forums and said that the moon was made of cheese and you have proof because someone told you 10 years ago that they'd tasted it.

:ban:
 

george g

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Design, by its very definition is a compromise between criteria. For a car this criteria is typically:

Reliability/life,
Emissions,
MPG,
Cost, &
Power

And in roughly that order too!

It really doesn't matter that vw have spent millions, they have spent it on a compromise that meets their criteria. Remapping the ecu tailors that compromise towards the area that is of most importance to the user - in many cases this is power (at the expense of reliability/life). But in reality, what's the real difference between a remap and getting bigger carbs or rejetting your carbs on older engines?

If I recall correctly the original chips used to trick the ecu to think that the engine had ice cold air outside so would dump fuel into the cylinders, hence the high CO reading at idle and minimal bhp increase.

As a side note, large companies such as VW, don't always give the best wages and also take years to innovate, so someone that is clever with aspirations or ideas can set up changes that could improve things tremendously and very quickly outside the company...

But I'm sure you will disregard this post as another person who knows nothing...
 
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If I recall correctly the original chips used to trick the ecu to think that the engine had ice cold air outside so would dump fuel into the cylinders, hence the high CO reading at idle and minimal bhp increase.

That is exactly how the original tuning boxes worked that were sold for diesels, the 90 PS TDi was one of the engines catered for. £1's worth of parts in a fancy box that just produced smoke.

The chip in my GTI was an EPROM that replaced the original in the ECU. It allegedly had optimised ignition and fuel settings to suit the better fuel available in the UK.

A proper individual re-map done by an operator who knows what he is doing (the chip I had fitted was in truth one size fits all) will without doubt give more power and if you want to do it on an older car go ahead. But why would anyone want to buy a brand new motor and then risk loosing the warranty. That's the part I cannot understand.
 

robdf2

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This is not the 90's running has moved on leaps and bounds now.
If you use one of the too tuning companies the results will be excellent and reliable.

He's not going to buy a £25 k plus car and fit a cheap tuning box.

You have to remember that the big Tuning companies actually map manufacturers race cars because they are the experts.
Warranty is not always void by a remap , it will only if it can be proved that's it's the direct cause of the issue.

I suggest you use the search function here and have a look what can be done and see how reliable things really are.
 
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You have to remember that the big Tuning companies actually map manufacturers race cars because they are the experts.

Race cars are different. They are regularly rebuilt and components are not expected to last for 200,000 miles.

Warranty is not always void by a remap , it will only if it can be proved that's it's the direct cause of the issue.

The last thing anyone should want after spending £25000 is an argument with the manufacturer about who's fault it is when they have issues.
 
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Because these days a remap can be 100% reversible and therefore 100% not traced by the dealers.

So if your new car breaks down and its recovered to a main dealer how on earth are you going to get it mapped back to standard before they start work on it.
 
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SERIOUSLY why are you lot entertaining this fool!!!! just let him be... he has his opinion and you cant teach old dogs new tricks.

Graham good luck with the Golf Mate.... still this the Square on the front looks like a slot for toying behind a camper van ;)

you old fuddy duddy

haha
 

Dsgfr11

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Congratulations mate. Got yourself a good motor. As far as the remap stuff I'm 100% certain that companies such as revo and apr spend good money developing their products too and if anyone wants to get a remap it's their hard earned cash they're spending so the opinion of skidpan is irrelevant as he doesn't like them, the world is full of different people. Open your mind up a little.
his car his choice. Again enjoy the new gti chap :thumbup:
 
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robdf2

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Race cars are different. They are regularly rebuilt and components are not expected to last for 200,000 miles.



The last thing anyone should want after spending £25000 is an argument with the manufacturer about who's fault it is when they have issues.

You are so negative !
Are you related to victor meldrew ?

I thinks it's best you stick with your Granada and let us get on with the joys and pleasures of owning our cars.

Sorry op
 

Jarre

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So if your new car breaks down and its recovered to a main dealer how on earth are you going to get it mapped back to standard before they start work on it.

When my 1.2TSi broke the dealer didn't find my remap - all they cared about was the missing sound proofing and blamed that for my problem. Makes a mockery of their technicians when they blamed a missing piece of sponge for breaking the engine when it was actually a leaking injector.

Don't change the subject anyway. Your problem with remaps wasn't that people could waste their warranty - you said they don't do anything to the performance of the vehicle. How wrong you are...
 
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Skidpan I agree with everything your saying. Why buy a car thats quick then remap it to make it quicker with the possibility of damaging the car. It don't make sense. If you want a golf but quicker than a GTI surely the option would be to buy a Golf R. Makes sense really.
 
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