LCR Diagnostics..Opinions please

[porki]

yeah, i was thinking the same thing to be honest, i changed it to 3bar at the weekend - the rest of the spec doesn't lend itself to stage 2 either. i'm going to ring big boys toys later to find out which map was applied and when, and what mods were on the car when it was done...

what i am a bit worried about is putting a lower pressure FPR on if the map actually needs the higher pressure for whatever reason!

 

[Feel]

I would say you need to log 118 before ordering a new 249 or anything else - the more you tinker the worse it'll (might) get.

118 shows N75 duty cycle vs actual boost (or am I wrong and I mean 115?), and it's a good way of seeing if you have a leak.

 

[porki]

ok mate thanks... i'll get on to rob (longman) and arrange another session before spending any more money AND while i'm there log AFR too (which block would that be!?!) to make sure i'm not running lean anywhere in the map now i have the 3bar FPR fitted.

 

[Feel]

031

 

[porki]

ta, i'll report back as soon as i have some more findings. thanks for all you help to date guys!

 

[longman]

Yeah, 118 is boost duty and actual boost. (Along with Engine speed and Air intake temp.) Thanks phil, I will have a look. Am I right in thinking that, if the duty cycle gets up to 100%, then there is a leak??

In terms of A/F mix, I have a graph to use with blocks 002 to work out Load against A/F Ratio? Please could someone confirm what I should be looking for?

Or would you suggest using something else like 116 to show fuel correction factors?

 

[longman]

031

Too slow!! Thanks Phil.

 

[Feel]

Yep, that's roughly right - in layman's terms, the duty cycle shows how hard the ECU's trying to make boost. When the boost first comes in (when it's spooling up) the duty cycle will hit 100%, as the actual boost is below requested and the N75 shuts the wastegate to get the turbo to spool.

Then as it's spooled up, the actual should hit requested (or be a bit above, or below) and you should see the duty sitting at about 95%, or less. In other words, the turbos delivering the requested boost without trying super-ooper hard.

If the duty cycle sits at 100%, once it's spooled, the turbos trying to produce requested boost, but can't for some reason of another... usually a leak... possibly N75. The N249 code pops up "sometimes", but could well be a distraction, particulalry if the line between the N249 and the top of the DV is split (have you thoroughly checked that Y pipe that's after the N249?), or something else on the vac side.

These engines appear to be fussy, but it's usually about one of five things...

 

[longman]

Thats a great help, thanks Phil. Totally understand that.

Its the 249 code that has popped up. We can have a look at the lines then and make sure thats not it.

Is the N249 under the secondary cover in front of the Inlet Manifold on the LCR? I know the LC is there.

 

[Feel]

Nope, it's under the primary cover, right in the way for changing coilpack three and four. Check the Y pipe - I had mine go, and IIRC there were two others. On the Inside of the "V" of the "Y" - very fine crack/split. Will have to squidge the pipe to see it.

 

[porki]

thanks mate, i'll get them checked in the morning, as soon as it's light!!

 

[porki]

ok, update to the saga... checked all the hoses into and out of the N249 and can't see any leaks.. dammit! booked in with longman again this weekend so i'll post any findings up!!

 

[longman]

This isn't a easy one!!

Well, got a good idea of what to check for now so hopefully we will find something.

 

[porki]

ok, longman and I did some more logs on saturday... here they be :

just read this after posting and it's horrific to read - as an aside any tips to making these look a bit nicer!?!


Group A: '031 (Lambda & AFR)

	Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor	Calculated AFR
TIME			
STAMP			
0.28	0.938	0.945	13.8915
1.19	0.945	0.945	13.8915
2.1	0.953	0.945	13.8915
3.01	0.961	0.945	13.8915
3.91	0.93	0.945	13.8915
4.82	0.938	0.938	13.7886
5.72	0.922	0.906	13.3182
6.63	0.899	0.867	12.7449
7.53	0.867	0.86	12.642
8.44	0.86	0.86	12.642
9.34	0.844	0.86	12.642
10.25	0.844	0.86	12.642
11.15	0.86	0.86	12.642
12.06	0.867	0.86	12.642
12.97	0.852	0.86	12.642
13.87	0.844	0.836	12.2892
14.77	0.782	0.766	11.2602
15.68	0.758	0.704	10.3488
16.58	0.75	0.704	10.3488

Group B: '118 (intake temp, boost)

	RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar
0.6	2080	31	100	1300
1.49	2280	30	99.6	1550
2.4	2520	28	95.3	2020
3.31	2840	27	80.8	2130
4.22	3120	26	80.4	2110
5.12	3440	26	82	2290
6.03	3760	27	82.4	2340
6.93	4120	27	82	2350
7.84	4440	29	83.1	2310
8.74	4760	30	81.6	2330
9.65	5040	32	82.7	2350
10.55	5320	34	91	2300
11.46	5520	36	93.7	2280
12.36	5800	38	95.3	2220
13.27	6000	39	95.3	2160
14.17	6160	42	95.3	2150
15.08	6360	44	95.3	2110
15.99	6520	45	95.3	2080
16.89	6640	47	95.3	2040

Group C: '002 (air mass flow)

	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s
0.89	2120	102.3	10.2	45.72
1.8	2320	126.3	12.58	62.83
2.7	2600	167.7	17	97.44
3.61	2920	165.4	15.98	96.81
4.52	3240	169.9	16.66	106.58
5.42	3560	185.7	18.7	133
6.33	3880	184.2	19.04	140.94
7.23	4200	182	19.38	148.25
8.14	4560	183.5	20.06	158.11
9.04	4840	175.9	19.38	158.67
9.95	5120	170.7	18.36	168.67
10.85	5360	181.2	19.38	176.58
11.76	5640	177.4	19.38	183.22
12.66	5840	167.7	18.02	184.53
13.57	6040	173.7	18.7	187.56
14.47	6240	154.1	16.66	188.42
15.38	6400	157.9	19.38	191.22
16.29	6560	155.6	19.72	191.22
17.2	6400	28.6	2.72	0

I have my theories but i don't want to say anything, just after some honest opinions from guys whose experience and knowledge with these engines is superior to mine!!

 

[porki]

some more :

Group A: '115 (Boost)

	RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar
0.6	2680	91	1830	1280
1.2	2800	128.6	2230	1690
1.81	3040	166.9	2260	2260
2.41	3240	172.2	2300	2240
3.01	3480	180.5	2340	2330
3.62	3720	187.2	2370	2350
4.22	3920	185.7	2400	2370
4.82	4200	182.7	2420	2360
5.43	4400	183.5	2410	2360
6.03	4600	176.7	2380	2400
6.63	4840	172.2	2360	2320
7.24	5040	172.2	2340	2310
7.84	5240	170.7	2320	2280
8.44	5400	172.9	2310	2260
9.05	5560	170.7	2300	2230
9.65	5720	164.7	2280	2180
10.25	5880	167.7	2270	2170
10.86	6040	157.1	2260	2140
11.46	6200	163.9	2250	2060
12.07	6320	165.4	2250	2050
12.67	6480	154.9	2250	2040
13.27	6600	152.6	2260	2080

Group B: '120 (Torque)

	RPM	Torque	Torque
TIME			
STAMP	 /min	 Nm	 Nm
0.3	2640	436.6	128.4
0.9	2720	436.6	196.9
1.5	2920	436.6	276.1
2.11	3120	436.6	297.5
2.71	3360	436.6	325.3
3.32	3600	436.6	327.4
3.92	3840	436.6	325.3
4.52	4080	436.6	329.6
5.12	4320	436.6	323.1
5.73	4520	436.6	336
6.33	4720	436.6	299.6
6.94	4920	436.6	282.5
7.54	5120	436.6	284.6
8.14	5320	436.6	286.8
8.75	5480	436.6	267.5
9.35	5640	436.6	248.2
9.95	5800	436.6	256.8
10.56	5960	436.6	256.8
11.16	6120	436.6	222.6
11.76	6280	436.6	233.3
12.37	6400	436.6	231.1
12.97	6560	436.6	214

 

[porki]

Group B: '114

	Load	Load	Load	Load
TIME				
STAMP	 %	 %	 %	 %
0.02	156.4	155.2	80.5	100
0.55	165.4	164.2	98.5	98
1.15	173.7	171.6	117.3	95.7
1.76	178.9	177.6	139.8	95.3
2.36	182	180.6	168.4	76.9
2.96	185.7	183.6	169.2	78.4
3.57	188	186.6	169.2	80
4.17	190.2	188.1	177.4	83.9
4.77	191.7	191	186.5	81.6
5.38	191.7	192.5	185.7	81.6
5.98	191.7	194	185	83.9
6.58	191.7	194	185	84.3
7.19	191.7	194	185	83.9
7.79	191.7	194	172.9	84.7
8.39	191.7	194	169.9	83.1
9	191.7	194	172.2	84.3
9.6	191.7	194	166.2	86.3
10.2	191.7	194	170.7	86.3
10.81	191.7	194	169.2	85.9
11.41	191.7	194	161.7	95.3
12.01	191.7	192.5	168.4	95.3
12.63	191.7	192.5	164.7	95.3
13.23	191.7	192.5	158.6	95.3
13.83	191.7	192.5	160.2	95.3
14.43	191.7	191	148.9	95.3
15.03	191.7	191	158.6	95.3
15.65	191.7	189.6	145.9	95.3
16.24	191.7	189.6	148.9	95.3
16.85	191.7	189.6	46.6	0

Group C: '002

	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s
0.25	2280	89.5	8.5	44
0.85	2400	106.8	10.88	55.11
1.46	2560	127.8	12.92	69.64
2.06	2720	154.9	15.64	90.56
2.66	2920	172.9	17.68	93.31
3.27	3120	167.7	16.32	101.92
3.87	3360	173.7	17.34	116.08
4.47	3560	182.7	18.36	130.28
5.07	3760	184.2	19.04	134.11
5.68	4000	185.7	20.06	140.86
6.28	4200	182.7	19.72	149.17
6.89	4400	183.5	19.72	153.39
7.49	4600	173.7	18.7	152.31
8.09	4800	167.7	18.02	158.44
8.7	4960	163.9	17.68	161.11
9.3	5120	168.4	18.36	168.67
9.9	5280	172.2	18.7	172.22
10.51	5440	169.9	18.36	176.53
11.11	5600	169.2	18.7	179.78
11.71	5720	159.4	17.34	182.25
12.32	5880	160.9	17.34	182.5
12.92	6000	160.2	17	185.42
13.53	6120	157.9	17	185.75
14.13	6240	145.1	15.64	185.75
14.73	6360	156.4	17	187.28
15.33	6480	157.1	17	189.39
15.94	6560	148.1	17	190.31
16.54	6640	154.9	17.68	190.61
17.15	5240	80.5	9.86	54.25

Group A: '115

	RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.
TIME				
STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar
0.27	1920	76.7	1790	1090
0.57	1960	78.9	1200	1140
0.87	2000	52.6	1010	1180
1.17	2000	22.6	1010	1130
1.47	2040	74.4	1670	1030
1.77	2040	80.5	1870	1110
2.07	2120	85.7	1930	1180
2.38	2160	91	1940	1250
2.67	2240	96.2	1980	1320
2.97	2280	103	2040	1390
3.29	2360	109.8	2080	1480
3.59	2440	117.3	2140	1570
3.89	2520	126.3	2210	1670
4.19	2600	134.6	2250	1800
4.49	2680	145.9	2270	1950
4.79	2800	160.2	2270	2140
5.1	2880	172.2	2270	2320
5.4	3000	168.4	2270	2180
5.7	3120	169.2	2290	2190
6	3200	172.9	2300	2280
6.3	3320	175.9	2340	2280
6.6	3400	179.7	2350	2330
6.91	3520	184.2	2370	2390
7.21	3640	185.7	2380	2410
7.51	3760	182.7	2400	2380
7.81	3880	182.7	2410	2400
8.11	3960	188	2420	2400
8.41	4080	182	2420	2380
8.72	4200	183.5	2430	2360
9.02	4320	183.5	2420	2370
9.32	4400	182	2420	2370
9.62	4520	181.2	2420	2350
9.92	4600	171.4	2390	2390
10.22	4680	172.2	2390	2380
10.53	4760	171.4	2370	2370
10.83	4880	169.2	2370	2360
11.13	4960	172.9	2360	2300
11.43	5040	175.9	2350	2260
11.73	5120	177.4	2350	2280
12.04	5240	166.9	2350	2270
12.34	5320	166.9	2350	2300
12.64	5400	169.9	2340	2250
12.94	5480	166.9	2330	2250
13.25	5400	18.8	1010	2020
13.56	5440	13.5	1010	1350

 

[porki]

ok, thanks for reading this far and sorry they look so horrible, if anyone can tell me how to make them read better i'll go back thru and edit them... cheers!

 

[Feel]

Post them in a CODE block, like this, but without the *

[*CODE*]Put your Logs in here[/*CODE*]

 

[TBCupraT]

Just read the thread I don't know if this helps.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1365323&postcount=10

 

[longman]

This is a graph of the boost on a 4th Gear Run. It seemed to meet the requested boost ok but tailed of at the end for some reason.

The Wastegate Duty was at a steady 95% at the top of the rev range. We both read that that was a healthy value too.