Leon Cupra FMIC, bigger turbo & mapping questions

[Pabs]

Hi all

I'm seriously contemplating the next power increase for my LC.

Currently I've got Revo Stage 2 and all the required mods bar the FMIC which hasnt caused problems (yet) but with the Summer looming I think I'm gonna be needing one to keep it cool

Anyway, I'm also thinking about a power increase, currently RR result says I'm on around 230-240bhp and I want to spend some money to push this figure "noticably" higher - ie i want to feel the increase, so would want a big ish power increase....

So I've been contemplating my options. If I wanted to stick with Revo, I could go to stage 3. I could get a whole new map to cater for the new mods, but as I don't know which route to go for the mods I don't know which map I should be looking at too....


I think the next step is FMIC. This will be beneficial with a larger turbo later on, yeah? I've read a lot about IHI as well, seen nitrous (not really bothered about this as its only a short burst of power)... and other turbo upgrades.

Obvioulsy I've seen the likes of Robdon etc, but what should I be looking at doing? What kind of prices should I be expecting? I've looked at the k04 range of turbos (seem to be hybrids out there) but is it worth doing that, or just going to ihi?

Any suggestions would be great. I'll probably do the FMIC etc in the near future, just not sure what to do after that, and what I'd need to do other than the turbo..

cheers

 

[Feel]

Deffo worth doing the FMIC, for your current state of play and anything else you do in terms of bigger turbos.

On which turbo to get, where have you been? I wouldn't bother with k04 though.

If you want to stay with Revo, and go stage 3, you should check with them what turbos stage 3 will cover. If you're not bothered, you could go Custom Code or Jabba, or MRC

On Turbos, you could go Eliminator G2X or GTRS (+Custom Code or Revo) or JBS04 (Custom Code), IHI (Jabba or maybe Revo), or you could go to a "Full" big turbo, bigger IHI, or GT28RS. Don't forget that Bill is doing conversions and Custom Code now. You could also talk to AmD.

It depends very much on how much you want to spend. If you stay below a certain threshold, you can get away with keeping the internals standard.

 

[Pabs]

what would you say the "threshold" is???

I mean, I know a lot of people say 300bhp in a FWD car is the maximum usable power, but I know Songman has an IHI LCR with 360bhp ish....

Would the std clutch be ok for 300bhp? I've been reading about Robdon's project and that his uprated clutch wasn't much good, and swapping to another one now (i think)

TBH i don't want to go mad because I think money will just become silly, but it would be nice to get it that little further.

I've been looking at the Revo website, and they say either the K04 or the Garret GT28Rs turbo works with stage 3, but also mention new DP's etc which means my recently upgraded Milltek cat/dp would need to be replaced again (or can you just swap DP?)

From the k04 comments, it doesnt seem that it'll put out enough to warrant the upgrade.

 

[Feel]

This is the thing - I'm no expert on BT, but if I were you, I budget for a diff and clutch.

Your dp issue is why the Eliminator series sounds like a good idea - keep the stock dp then.

 

[Pabs]

ah ok - didnt know that - sounds like a good idea....
Think first step is to get the FMIC sorted and then go from there. Shall keep on researching

 

[NeilC]

Think i'd get FMIC, bigger brakes (which will prob need bigger wheels?) and LSD which will all make car better but still everyday drivable and resellable. Then see what options are around as more eliminator/k04 hybrids will have been installed and have proven results.

 

[Pabs]

hmmmm ok. Chances are if i need bigger brakes then i'd probably go for brembo's and then LCR wheels - I'm trying to keep my car as a "sleeper". Don't want it looking any real different to standard, bar a few minor cosmetics that I already have.

 

[traumapat]

pabs i contacted jabba who reckon my 01 is good for 330 with ihi. if i wanted more then its uprated pistons, rods and possibly valves.

i think im targeting 300 tho as i want to keep the car safe internals wise. not sure which bt tho. ihi is expensive if jbs can get 300ish with there modded ko4 which is going to be cheaper. 2k odd for 30 bhp?

other mods to compliment...

brembo kit from bill. already here awaiting fitting.
fmic due next week.

ive already upgraded to 18 x 7.5 wheels and better suspension so im almost ready... just wish my bank account was

 

[Pabs]

Turbo Kit - ~£1000
Clutch ~ £500
Brakes ~ £300-£1000 (s/h or new)
Injectors ~ £150
Mapping ~ £500
Wheels ~ £600-800 depending on choice

Total ~ £3400 approx.
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Sell K03s ~ £150?
Sell 312mm Brakes ~ £150
Sell Clutch ? (Would anyone want one?)
Sell 17" Wheels ~ £300?


Thats a list I've been coming up with depending on what i could get/go with..... RobDon has again been helping me through the research

Not really sure if I'd do it or not - its a lot of money...

 

[cordobabrendy]

Turbo Kit - ~£1000
Clutch ~ £500
Brakes ~ £300-£1000 (s/h or new)
Injectors ~ £150
Mapping ~ £500
Wheels ~ £600-800 depending on choice

Total ~ £3400 approx.
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Sell K03s ~ £150?
Sell 312mm Brakes ~ £150
Sell Clutch ? (Would anyone want one?)
Sell 17" Wheels ~ £300?


Thats a list I've been coming up with depending on what i could get/go with..... RobDon has again been helping me through the research

Not really sure if I'd do it or not - its a lot of money...

dont be saying that, ive that much sitting waiting on a credit card (rainy day)
You didnt mention labour and fmic, so apart form the software i take it youd be doing the fitting yourself? and the turbo kit (jbs04?)would include new manifold (matching dp if needed?)

 

[k11jrp]

didnt include tyres either so another £500

 

[cordobabrendy]

didnt include new mobile fueling station, circa $25M

 

[neil]

traumapat , are you getting your FMIC from Jabba ? It is next on my list from Jabba but wont be until about mid april time .
neil

 

[Pabs]

hehe thanks for the replies.


Brendy, I've not included FMIC as thats gonna be coming from a "different budget" lol - hopefully the FMIC will be done sooner rather than later, this turbo upgrade would be 6-12months time or later, if i ever do it.

Labour - not included as I haven't got a clue on costs - the above was just parts (should have said, sorry :S)

 

[Pabs]

as for wheels, the £800 budget was for 18" cupra R alloys and tyres - thats the cost I can get them for so theres no extra £500 on top...

 

[Pabs]

i've been reading westecs site - the GTRS and GT2X say they use std location and components, so don't need new DP's/manifolds???

 

[traumapat]

traumapat , are you getting your FMIC from Jabba ? It is next on my list from Jabba but wont be until about mid april time .
neil

no ive gone to forge as its a good proven cooler. bet the jabba one will be great but im impatient. im looking to get 300 bhp so the forge is ideal.


pabs... it is alot of money but then again alot of car. besides we need you to do it so youll put another great guide on your site

 

[m0rk]

i've been reading westecs site - the GTRS and GT2X say they use std location and components, so don't need new DP's/manifolds???

You don't *need* to - but the higher flowing manifold, and bigger DP will be needed (you have the DP??)

 

[Pabs]

Well I have the Milltek DP/Cat (200 cell version) so I assume this is good enough?

As for manifold it could be done if needed....

Actually thinking if I will bother with this one now - I really should be saving for a house

 

[DomJolly]

I know you wrote this thread a while back, but i've been thinking the same as you know.

Having got a house + got married last year, conservatory + baby this year, my opinion is that it's better to save for a house.

you already have a decent, good quality, good performance car that is practical, comfortable and has enough space to visit the tip every spring! - you have 4 doors and everytime you see a MKI A3 with sky high mileage, you feel chuffed that yours cost it's current value but has a lot of miles left and is far more recent!

Houses are big and nasty but you'll need to do it someday, where as you don't and won't "need" to do anything bar servicing to your car.

I think weekly about bigger turbos, FMIC, TIP, etc. etc., but stage 2 as we have is good enough really. There'll always be more to be had. If you had 300bhp, that's great, but you might then think you'd prefer 4wd or RWD - and you ain't gonna justify that sort of mod, so you'll be looking at some other car.

When I had a Cupra Sport 2.0 8v Ibiza i had cams, xorst, k+n, wheels, and superchip - and felt pant's about what i'd done, but still liked the car. Was seriously considering headwork, boring the block to 2.1cc, lightened flywheel etc., etc. but luckily didn't.

I still think that would've been a nice setup with a supercharger, but i'd never be able to sell it, let alone get the right pennies back.

I'm happy with stage 2. Had my ups and downs, but am happy. The leon has never has the raw feel of the MKII and MKIII Beeza, but it is more safe and more practical - all important factors now that I am a husband and a dad!!!

I've always loved VR6's for their mid range and natural performance, plus the awesome sound - despite not being any quicker than a modded 20vt.

Depends what rocks your boat. If there was a low mileage, safe, corrado vr6 then i would definately have one. Would love a supercharger on it too! But that ain't happening!

Hot hatches were sub 150 just a few years ago.