Mk3 drive vs mk2

Cupracaley118

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Morning all, currently own a Mk2 2010 Cupra 240 running Rtec stage 2.

Thinking to jump to a Cupra 280 or bmw m135i possibly.

Is the the drive in the 280 much quieter more refined then the mk2? The gearing is very short on the mk2 making motorway driving a bit of chore on long journeys, and sound insulation not the best.l would probably go for a dsg car.
Does the st version suffer any more rattles in side being a estate.

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I've just gone from a hatch to ST and don't notice any difference at all, other than when I'm putting things in the boot.

The lack of sound insulation but inclusion of rattles is what gives the Leon such character, if it was silent and boring you would be driving the Audi A3. Ride and handling gets better on the MK3, but it's still made by Seat so don't set your expectations too high.
 
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Not had a Cupra but had three Mk3s. The ST is just as quiet as the hatch. Often estates are noisier but not this one.

I've not had any major rattles or noises in any of the cars. A-pillar squeak in one car, easy to fix, and suspension creak as you go over speed bumps seems to be a standard feature but other than that the cars are very quiet and refined.

Get the ST, hundred percent. On the move you don't notice the difference and the improvement in practicality is massive. It's not just that the boot is larger, there are so many other additions too.

Split height boot floor.
Roof rails.
Boot power socket.
Extra tie-down points.
Ski flap.

But the best thing is a full depth spare wheel well so you can carry a full sized spare. It's just a better car.
 
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Suspension is much better on mk3. The mk2s I’ve travelled in had pretty terrible ride quality in my opinion.
 

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Not had a Cupra but had three Mk3s. The ST is just as quiet as the hatch. Often estates are noisier but not this one.

I've not had any major rattles or noises in any of the cars. A-pillar squeak in one car, easy to fix, and suspension creak as you go over speed bumps seems to be a standard feature but other than that the cars are very quiet and refined.

Get the ST, hundred percent. On the move you don't notice the difference and the improvement in practicality is massive. It's not just that the boot is larger, there are so many other additions too.

Split height boot floor.
Roof rails.
Boot power socket.
Extra tie-down points.
Ski flap.

But the best thing is a full depth spare wheel well so you can carry a full sized spare. It's just a better car.
Didn't have mk2 cupra - went from mk1 cupra > mk2 fr dsg > mk3 st cupra 4drive
mk3 is definitely more refined. Only noise issue can be tyres - mostly at motorway speeds, or on particular road surfaces. I recall others have seen improvements with different tyres. Not done enough miles yet to change rubber.
 

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I would say it's more noticeable than previous FR. But perhaps that's because the Cupra is so refined at speed - not that the FR was particularly noisy.
 
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Cupracaley118

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Thanks for your replys,combine road noise with a over size ram air open filter makes mine not the sort of car to drive to Cornwall in unless your doing part throttle and 60 mph all the way! Low gearing is complete opersite to my previous Bmw they were pretty good motorway cruisers.
I would imagine the dsg cars on the mk3 have a tall final drive in 6th to save fuel and keep rpm down on a run.
 

seatgraham

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Thanks for your replys,combine road noise with a over size ram air open filter makes mine not the sort of car to drive to Cornwall in unless your doing part throttle and 60 mph all the way! Low gearing is complete opersite to my previous Bmw they were pretty good motorway cruisers.
I would imagine the dsg cars on the mk3 have a tall final drive in 6th to save fuel and keep rpm down on a run.
some mk3s have 7 speed dsg - but yes, whether 6 or 7 gears fairly tall final drive.
 

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Having owned 2 x Mk2 FR 170 TDIs, 1 x Pre-FL Mk3 FR hatch and now a FL Mk3 Cupra ST, the suspension is more complaint over Mk2, especially with the DCC fitted.

In my opinion, there is a significant improvement in cabin quality between pre-FL and FL Leons, so if budget allows go post 2017 - apart from a squeaking door seal, all of the A pillar, Door Card and Transmission tunnel rattles have been designed out.

However, the BMW is a step above - currently have a 3 series M-Sport Shadow Edition and this made my 2018 A3 S-line look like the poor relation.
 

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In my opinion, there is a significant improvement in cabin quality between pre-FL and FL Leons, so if budget allows go post 2017 - apart from a squeaking door seal, all of the A pillar, Door Card and Transmission tunnel rattles have been designed out.
I actually don't agree. The only reason I find the face-lift more refined is that they've softened the suspension, on the FR. Other than that I haven't found anything in the 17 that is not in the older car but a few things that are missing.
 

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I actually don't agree. The only reason I find the face-lift more refined is that they've softened the suspension, on the FR. Other than that I haven't found anything in the 17 that is not in the older car but a few things that are missing.
So you don’t have: the rubber inserts in the cubbies in the transmission tunnel, felt in the bottom of the door cubbies, the digital dash, improved infotainment and Nav system, full led interior lighting, gloss black trim vs anthracite, electronic hand brake in place of the hand brake on the wrong side, removal of the vinyl door cards that rubbed against the ends of the dash and sounded like a field of crickets.

Noting that some of the above is specific to the Cupra versions and not FR.
 

Mr Pig

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So you don’t have: the rubber inserts in the cubbies in the transmission tunnel, felt in the bottom of the door cubbies, the digital dash, improved infotainment and Nav system, full led interior lighting, gloss black trim vs anthracite, electronic hand brake in place of the hand brake on the wrong side, removal of the vinyl door cards that rubbed against the ends of the dash and sounded like a field of crickets.

Noting that some of the above is specific to the Cupra versions and not FR.
I had to go out and check some of those!

The FR does not have rubber in the tunnel cubbies or felt in the door bins. Of note here is that the center tunnel and center dash cubbies are less practical than the ones on the pre-facelift car. For example, the one under the dash is now shallower and has about a third of its width taken up with the USB port block. Previously you could get two pairs of sunglasses, in their cases into that cubby. Now you can only get one pair lying sideways across the face of it. It's so small that it's hard to get cables to stay in it. They tend stick out and hit your hand when you change gear.

The FR doesn't have a digital dash. The dash is identical to the pre-facelift car.

The infotainment system is not upgraded. It is in fact downgraded. The system itself is identical to the pre-facelift one with the exception of the addition of the tile menu. The carousel is still there as an option. So why is it a downgrade? They have removed the direct access buttons for the functions. This makes the system slower and more difficult to use. Instead we get a fractionally larger screen which in practice makes no difference at all.

It's our own stupid fault! Our love of screens means they impress the heck out of us when we see them in cars. Manufacturers can load more functions into the screen, which is in the car anyway, and get get rid of physical buttons. Saves them money, makes the dash look cleaner and actually applaud this slight of hand without realizing ergonomics are now worse.

They used to use black gloss trim on the SE and grey on the FR. I did wonder about that at the time because I thought the black looked better. Nice that they fixed it but it's not a huge deal is it? It didn't cost anything and doesn't alter functionality at all. Better though.

The trick LED lights is interesting. Do you realize how little that will cost to put into the car? How much does it cost for a strip of colour changing LED lights out of Home Bargains? Again, this smoke and mirrors trick impresses the gullible. Oh, sparkly! We are so feckin dumb!

I'll spare you my thoughts on the electric handbrake! They're here somewhere if you can be bothered searching but, in my opinion, the electric handbrake is considerably worse than a cable handbrake. I can't prove it but I also suspect it's cheaper too.

Interesting you mention the lever on the wrong side as that always infuriated me. It's like European manufacturers sticking their fingers up at the stupid British buyers. It was an insult, and we just took it. If a UK manufacturer did that t the French I can tell you right now they would not buy the car.

On the ST they have removed the boot wheel well/floor carpet, it's now bare metal. And the cover for the steel cross-member behind the rear seats. They have also swapped the inside section of the leather seat trim for cloth. At first glance the seats look the same but half of the leather is missing.

I can't find anything on the facelift that's really better or costs more. Everything is either just different or is cost cutting. It's a very poor fascelift. Compare it to the 2016 facelift of the Ibiza. It got a whole new, much nicer dash, much better infotainment system, better suspension, better steering wheel and stalks. You got a lot of cool stuff. The Leon facelift was tricking you into thinking you were getting new stuff but actually giving you bugger all.
 
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