Please help me to interpret this log. (Again)

J0N

Defected!
Ok, this is a log with measuring blocks 115 and 031,
115 is Engine Speed, Engine Load, Spec Boost and Actual Boost.
The spec boost and actual boost are measure in mbar but at the risk
of sounding a bit thick, what do these figures relate to in terms of psi/bar?
In real terms in this log I have an actual boost of 2130 mbar at 6000rpm
but how does this relate to my (supposed) 1.5 bar?

Code:
Sunday	15	November	2009	06:28:11									
1ML 906 032 A  		1.8l R4/5VT         0002											
													
	Group A:	'115				Group B:	'031				Group C:	 Not Running	
		RPM	Load	Absolute Pres.	Absolute Pres.		Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits			
	TIME					TIME					TIME		
MARKER	STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP					STAMP		
	0	2160	15	980	1010	0.36	0.836	1	        	        			
	0.76	2240	92.5	2250	1130	1.16	0.953	0.953	        	        			
	1.56	2440	122.6	2140	1480	2.07	0.93	0.914	        	        			
	2.47	2680	164.7	2130	2000	2.87	0.899	0.875	        	        			
	3.27	3000	181.2	2120	2130	3.67	0.86	0.852	        	        			
	4.07	3280	178.2	2140	2120	4.49	0.844	0.844	        	        			
	4.98	3600	178.2	2160	2110	5.38	0.852	0.844	        	        			
	5.89	3920	183.5	2150	2130	6.39	0.86	0.844	        	        			
	6.9	4280	180.5	2170	2170	7.3	0.828	0.836	        	        			
	7.7	4560	182.7	2170	2160	8.1	0.821	0.836	        	        			
	8.5	4800	175.9	2150	2140	8.9	0.836	0.836	        	        			
	9.3	5080	175.2	2170	2160	9.72	0.821	0.836	        	        			
	10.21	5320	185	2230	2180	10.61	0.828	0.836	        	        			
	11.03	5600	187.2	2270	2220	11.41	0.828	0.836	        	        			
	11.83	5800	174.4	2270	2200	12.23	0.828	0.836	        	        			
	12.63	6000	177.4	2240	2130	13.04	0.813	0.836	        	        			
	13.44	6160	180.5	2190	2120	13.94	0.836	0.836	        	        			
	14.34	6360	169.2	2130	2070	14.76	0.828	0.836	        	        			
	15.25	6520	162.4	2060	2130	15.64	0.821	0.836	        	        			
	16.05	6680	153.4	1990	2180	16.45	0.813	0.836
 

wild willy

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Aug 4, 2003
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Hi mate,
all boost measurements include atmospheric pressure whic is approx 1 bar or 1000mBar. So when you actually hit 2150 say it actually equates to 1.15 bar.:) Yourf fueling looks ok, ever so slightly rich.
But..... all CC LCR maps i've seen are the same in that they do not request enough boost in the mid range. REVO, APR etc are all 1.45-1.5 bar maps in that they request a min of1.45 bar mid range. Your map is not requesting the goods as you should see 2450 being requested, it looks a little too safe.
 

Damoegan

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Oct 15, 2007
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Some good info on fuel trims and fueling here, jonny

Understanding Fuel Trim:

Some of the most common fault codes (DTC's) pertain to fuel trim (rich mixture, lean mixture, etc.) Here is an explanation of fuel trim and what it does for us.

The ECU controls Air/Fuel mixture in order to maintain power, efficiency, and emissions. A/F is expressed as either a ratio (14.7:1 for example) or as a Lambda value. With iso-octane ("ideal" gasoline), Lambda of 1.0 is equal to 14.7:1 A/F. This is known as "Stoichiometric", a condition where there is a perfect balance between oxygen molecules and the various hydrogen and carbon based molecules in petroleum. With the oxygenated gasoline that most of us use, actual A/F ratio of 15:1 is closer to stoichiometric.

If Lambda is greater than 1.0, then there is a surplus of air and the engine is running lean. If Lambda is less than 1.0, then there is a surplus of fuel and the engine is running rich. It should be noted that the ratios are mass-based, not volume-based.

So, why don't we always run at 1.0 all the time? Well, we do MOST of the time. At cruise and idle, mixture is held tightly to 1.0 to keep the catalytic convertor at optimal efficiency, so the emissions are minimized. However, when we need acceleration, the mixture gets richer. Why? Maximum power is made between 0.85 to 0.95 Lambda (12.5 to 14.0 A/F with iso-octane). So, under acceleration, mixtures get richer. Sometimes you want to get even richer under acceleration to keep detonation (pre-ignition of the mixture from excess cylinder temperatures) away. The 1.8T has a relatively high compression ratio for a turbocharged engine, which especially under lots of boost, is very succeptible to detonation).

So, now that we know that the ECU wants to be able to control the A/F ratio. It has a prescribed set of values (maps) for a given RPM, Load, etc. So, the ECU tells the injectors to pulse for exactly XX.X milliseconds and that SHOULD get us the proper A/F ratio that we want. Well, if you tell an employee to go do something, you want to make sure they actually did it, right? The ECU has some snitches (the front O2 sensor and the MAF, for the most part) that will report back whether or not the desired mixture has been attained. The rear O2 sensor is used mostly to monitor the condition of the catalytic convertor, although in some applications it also contributes to trim information.

Based on feedback from the snitches, the ECU learns to apply a correction factor to its commands to the fuel injectors. If you know that your employees take longer than the standard allotted time to do a specified job, you will need to adjust for that in your planning (injectors are in a union, so it is tough to fire them ). The learned values go between the maps in the ECU's Flash ROM (the "chip") and the signal to the fuel injectors. These learned compensations are known as "trim". So, when you see "trim", it means "compensation".

"Add" means additive trim, which is addressing an imbalance at idle. When the ECU is using additive trim, it is telling the injectors to stay open a fixed amount longer or shorter. The malfunction (e.g. vacuum leak) becomes less significant as RPM increase. For additive adaptation values, the injection timing is changed by a fixed amount. This value is not dependent on the basic injection timing.

"Mult" mean multiplicative trim, which is addressing an imbalance at all engine speeds. The malfunction (e.g. clogged injector) becomes more severe at increased RPM. For multiplicative adaptation values, there is a percentage change in injection timing. This change is dependent on the basic injection timing.

You can check your current state of trim by using VAG-COM or equivalent to look in Group 032 in your engine measuring blocks. The first two fields will have percentages. The first field tells the fuel trim at idle (Additive). The second field tells the fuel trim at elevated engine speeds (Multiplicative). Negative values indicate that the engine is running too rich and oxygen sensor control is therefore making it more lean by reducing the amount of time that the injectors are open. Positive values indicate that the engine is running too lean and oxygen sensor control is therefore making it richer by increasing the amount of time that the injectors are open.

It is totally normal for both the first and second fields to be something other than zero. In fact, zeros IN BOTH FIELDS indicates that either you just cleared codes (which will reset fuel trim values) or something isn't working properly. If values get too far away from zero, it will cause a DTC (fault code) and can set off the MIL (commonly referred to as the Check Engine Light, or CEL). Specifications for normal operation are usually somewhere near +/- 10%.

In general, an out-of-spec value in the first field (Additive) indicates a vacuum leak since it is mostly present at idle, when vacuum is highest. An out-of-spec value in the second field (Multiplicative) indicates a fault at higher RPM, and may point to a faulty MAF.
 

J0N

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So, going on the above Willy has suggested that I'm running slightly rich because my lambda factors are getting closer to 1 and further away from 0?

EDIT. I've read post no. 8 a bit more thoroughly. "If Lambda is greater than 1.0, then there is a surplus of air and the engine is running lean. If Lambda is less than 1.0, then there is a surplus of fuel and the engine is running rich."
 
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wild willy

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So, going on the above Willy has suggested that I'm running slightly rich because my lambda factors are getting closer to 1 and further away from 0?

Mate, don't worry about it, a little rich can keep egts in check, its the software thats requesting it a little rich too.
I would just pm JBS and ask if they could up the requested boost for you a little.
 

J0N

Defected!
Mate, don't worry about it, a little rich can keep egts in check, its the software thats requesting it a little rich too.
I would just pm JBS and ask if they could up the requested boost for you a little.

Cheers Willy. It's not that I'm worried, I'm still pretty new to Vag-Com and I'm trying to get a better understanding of logs so any help is appreciated.
If Lambda is greater than 1.0, then there is a surplus of air and the engine is running lean. If Lambda is less than 1.0, then there is a surplus of fuel and the engine is running rich.
So as my logs say that my lambda readings are slightly less than 1.0 (0.813 at the lowest) I'm running slightly rich but it is actually pretty close to 1.0 so there's nothing to worry about. (I think).
It's also worth noting that at this point we're approaching the redline with the pedal literally to the floor.

Also, would JBS/Custom Code be able to raise the requested boost on a stage 1 generic map? I was under the impression that you get what you're given until you move to stage 2.
 
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