remap complete......wow!!!

[HarveyGTI]

but like i said jabba map to how cool the engine stays and i have done lots of coolant mods and have a custom FMIC which has taken all the restrictions out and shortened the piping.

you could change every physical pipe, bolt and nut on that car to enhance the performance

the K03s simply cannot flow that amount of air to get that sort of power, the modifications you have "around" the turbo are good, but only to a certian point, but you will still only get so much

why do you think people upgrade from the K03 to the k03s...so to get more power, as the turbo is only capable of flowing so much air

why do people upgrade the K03s to a GT28rs or similar, as the K03s is only capable of so much power i.e. 250bhp

its a physical restriction and mods can only help so much, but still the physical dimensions of the turbo equate to what power the car can put out, and in this case a K03s will never make a figure of 260, regardless of what other modifications are in place

 

[T10HJS]

i have heard many people say the 250bhp is the limit, but what is this based on? who calculated that the KO3s is not capable of flowing that much air?

 

[HarveyGTI]

i have heard many people say the 250bhp is the limit, but what is this based on? who calculated that the KO3s is not capable of flowing that much air?

im talking from experience and what tuners say when speaking to them, that 260bhp from a K03s is a pipe dream, and also i have NEVER seen that figure and IMO never will

I am not technical enough to say how to calculate the flow rate of a K03s, but there are some very knowledgable/technical guys on here who can answer that question for you, which I am sure they will

if you want more power then upgrading the turbo is the next step i.e. K04 or GT28rs or similar

the k03s prob could be capable of 260bhp, but not in a stable sense, it would crack or blow up pretty soon, therefore its not possible as its being pushed outside of its physical/stable limits - and so to say you had 260bhp from a k03s is pointless as it would only be very short and brief

 

[RobM]

The maximum flow rate of this and other turbos has been tried, tested and verified plenty of times in the past. I'm sure you could contact KKK who would give you the exact details too, if you really want to prove the theory.

It's certainly based on fact though, not just common rumour and forum myths. I'm not convinced the turbo will hit 250bhp personally, but the flow rates are out there for anybody who wishes to calculate it.

 

[T10HJS]

like i said i was expecting this sort of reply, as sparky also got the same responce, hopefully when i have been on a few RR's we can finalise this debate.

 

[skahigh]

like i said i was expecting this sort of reply, as sparky also got the same responce, hopefully when i have been on a few RR's we can finalise this debate.

unfortunately i dont think this debate will ever be finalised, no matter how many rr's you go on you wont convince everybody.....thats just something you'll have to accept im afraid.

 

[T10HJS]

can anyone recomend a "true" RR that i can visit to get a result that people will believe?

 

[RobM]

There is no such thing as a true rolling road. The only thing that can be called accurate is an engine bench dyno, but I'm guessing you don't want your engine removed?

If you get a consistent 260bhp over 3 different rolling roads, you'll have much, much more credibility.

 

[T10HJS]

There is no such thing as a true rolling road. The only thing that can be called accurate is an engine bench dyno, but I'm guessing you don't want your engine removed?

If you get a consistent 260bhp over 3 different rolling roads, you'll have much, much more credibility.

well like i said i dont know if VAG-COM will count for any thing on here, but how can it not be as it uses exact readouts for the ECU. i will do another VAG-COM RR and see what it coem out with.

 

[RobM]

Sod all I'm afraid. There are too many variables that it wont take into account.

 

[RobM]

Also, when you get your car on the rollers, always make sure you get a power at the wheels (WHP) figure, as this is more meaningful than a crank/fly figure (BHP)

 

[T10HJS]

ok will do.

 

[HarveyGTI]

i have never seen a k03s pull 260bhp

i already know the answer, you wont be getting 260bhp over 3 rr's

 

[T10HJS]

i have never seen a k03s pull 260bhp

i already know the answer, you wont be getting 260bhp over 3 rr's

you have never seen a golf with the same FMIC as mine though have you?
Pro Alloy analised the market looked at all the FMIC's that were on sale and custom built one around my car to beat all the competition. if you look on thir site or jabba's you will see a pic of my car advertising the new high performance FMIC.
Dont be so quick to judge i may just supprise you lol

 

[RobM]

You're not doing yourself any favours mate. Everybody here knows all about Pro Alloy, all about Forge, all about the other options around for FMIC's. It's also well known that an FMIC cannot make a turbo flow more air than it is physically capable of.

If anything - and I'm sure you're aware of this as you're a big FMIC expert - an intercooler will cause a pressure drop! There is no way it can boost pressure beyond what the turbo itself can do.

 

[timmahhhhhh]

Can anybody tell me where i can get a ticket for this dyno lottery malarky??? Is it better than the national lottery cos i've won jack on that!!!

 

[skahigh]

try revo, custom code, jabba, p torque, etc. take your pick

 

[HarveyGTI]

you have never seen a golf with the same FMIC as mine though have you?
Pro Alloy analised the market looked at all the FMIC's that were on sale and custom built one around my car to beat all the competition. if you look on thir site or jabba's you will see a pic of my car advertising the new high performance FMIC.
Dont be so quick to judge i may just supprise you lol

did you understand my post, or shall i put it in Spanish, Czech, French next time?

i stated it does not matter what modifications you have"around" the K03s...the K03s can only produce so much power, and it will never produce a true 260bhp

having a pro alloy intercooler, a Forge one, a super duper galactic one, it still will not produce 260bhp!!!!!

 

[DPJ]

i have heard many people say the 250bhp is the limit, but what is this based on? who calculated that the KO3s is not capable of flowing that much air?

The book 'Maximum Boost' by Corky Bell is a very worthwhile read and explains about turbocharger selection, flow rates etc. While he doesn't specifically mention the K03S, he does say "Never send a child to do a man's job" and that's the k03S. I've just removed mine and it shows the effects of pushing it to the limit (240 bhp ) - bearings fine, compressor blades fine..... turbine housing

260bhp - no way.

 

[Mitchy]

hmmm i was expectiong this sort of reply lol,
for you info VAG-COM is diagnostic software and you can log RPM vs Torque
and there is a proven formula which can be used to calculate BHP from RMP and Torque then plotting this on a graph gives you a dyno result.
i dont understand why its funny, it is common sence more boost and petrol must increase the power

Good god

I am very well aware of what vagcom does and doesn't do. I run the software myself

The only time the torque calculation works is with the standard table values. Because you have modified these values, ie as in a remap, vagcom readings are meaningless.

Trust me, im telling the truth here. I dont justmake things up

260bhp is what you believe then fine, but dont be upset when a genuine 260bhp golf/leon etc pulls away from you and your thinking whats going on here

Like i said 240bhp max. What are your mods and post this graph up please.

I honestly cant believe you think you'll get more than 260bhp also by adding more boost and better fuelling. Its not that thats the restricting factor, its the piddly little turbo. It simply cannot flow the air for genuine 250+.

If that was the case, why design and implement the K04, which has a limit of 280bhp.

Your sounding like your a Mr know it all and coming on here and arguing with people in the know with vast experience of vag tuning, isn't going to do you any favours Your right, everyone here is talking crap

Take the result with a pinch of salt, go to another RR and get it retested. Jabba are selling a product remember!! The remap itself is a good product but not any better than revo/cc/apr etc. They all do the same thing.