Remapping the LCR - PerformanceTorque or REVO...

[Ruddmeister]

That's what I was referring to before as 'the way it delivers it's power'.

Revo, from what I can tell, goes in hard and fast and doesn't carry it on for the entire session (rev range).

PTorque and CC seem to be more progressive, building steadily and not running out of puff so soon.

I love sex analogy's

Revo dealers and SPS's can alter the way the power is delivered so it's not necessarily one huge 'splmmmphffff' of power

 

[mkm250680]

I just had a re-map trial from REVO from a place in Nottingham call TSL and i must say the garage was well smart and as for the trial f**king hell it was amazing and can wait to get it done for real!!!

 

[WeeJase]

and you have to remember guys,the power is delivered by your right foot.revo,CC JABBA can give you all the variances under the sun,but planting your foot is going to make any remapped car go like fook,the delivery is down to you in alot of cases.
mid range is where ilike mine,i live in the sticks and do alot of slow vehicle overtakes, so up to 100mph is where i want my power,some people want top end stuff.

 

[HarveyGTI]

just a quick question on P Torques website, and in no way am i saying the quality would be any less, but P Torque states it would only take 1-3hours to map a car?

just from experience and having been to jabbasport, they took more than 3 hours

just wondering how P Torque only quote 1 hour? but i suppose this is on standard cars. Im guessing P Torque would take alot longer if the car had other modifications

 

[traumapat]

just a quick question on P Torques website, and in no way am i saying the quality would be any less, but P Torque states it would only take 1-3hours to map a car?

just from experience and having been to jabbasport, they took more than 3 hours

just wondering how P Torque only quote 1 hour? but i suppose this is on standard cars. Im guessing P Torque would take alot longer if the car had other modifications

thats cause mike likes his coffee!


1 hour does seem quick though.

i wonder how long basic revo takes?

 

[m0rk]

to come up with a base map will take a fair while

But most places (and I'll guess jabba & p-torque) will have downloaded a 'starting point' map from somewhere, and will adjust it using software tools, to increase / decrease boost & timing at a number of points across the range.

I am sure that no-one will start with a std car & produce a finished article in an hour. I mean 20 mins of that will be uploading / downloading code

 

[RobM]

I think CC and Revo Stage 1, which are just generic maps and then altered a little by the tuner, take around an hour to upload.

So if PTorque is taking longer than that, I think it's safe to assume more of the map is customised to your car, but I'd still think it started off as a generic map for that model and engine.

 

[P-torque.co.uk]

Hi Guys

The time guide on the website is allowing for many different cars. For example, a 1.6 naturally aspirated car has less maps within the program to alter.

Also, not all customers are as clued up as some of you on here, so it gives them a rough idea of the process time.

As Mork correctly states, our remaps are tuned from a base file, usually the original from the vehicle.

Another example is a Golf MK4 with GT28 conversion, and I had this in the workshop for 2 days to perfect the custom mapping.

Rest assured, our mapping is 100% spot on. We offer our 14 day money back guarantee to assure customers of the quality they are getting. To date, I have never had an unhappy customer, which is something I pride myself on.

 

[HarveyGTI]

Hi Guys

The time guide on the website is allowing for many different cars. For example, a 1.6 naturally aspirated car has less maps within the program to alter.

Also, not all customers are as clued up as some of you on here, so it gives them a rough idea of the process time.

As Mork correctly states, our remaps are tuned from a base file, usually the original from the vehicle.

Another example is a Golf MK4 with GT28 conversion, and I had this in the workshop for 2 days to perfect the custom mapping.

Rest assured, our mapping is 100% spot on. We offer our 14 day money back guarantee to assure customers of the quality they are getting. To date, I have never had an unhappy customer, which is something I pride myself on.

thanks mate, just wanted to clear that one up, as certainly when i get my mods in place - Forge FMIC, DP, CAT, exhaust, I am seriously considering P torque as i have only heard good things from this company

 

[Big_daddy]

Just get the upgraded forge DV and get it remapped!
I wouldnt mess around with the cat much as it may effect the running of the car (post lamba sesnor!

 

[HarveyGTI]

Just get the upgraded forge DV and get it remapped!
I wouldnt mess around with the cat much as it may effect the running of the car (post lamba sesnor!

well i know from my friends ibiza cupra, that the dp, cat and exhaust are the strange points for getting the power to live further up the rev range

as i want the power pretty much to the redline, and i know the K03s has these types of capabilities, then upgrading these parts IMO are essential. Most importantly is the Forge FMIC, even on a standard factory map, the FMIC makes a BIG difference and heat soak is the biggest killer of power, again the FMIC helps retain the boost for longer, and higher up the rev range

these are little factors that IMO help make the complete package

 

[Big_daddy]

well £600 is alot for fmic but is quiality but you wont see any massive gains!
The thing is when you play around too much with exhaust system by adding high flow cat, and back system you will notiuce alot of back pressure, which i have experinced. You may get a liitle amount of higher top end BUT you will loose alot of low end torque!

If i had the extra cash i would just get the fmic, tip, and high flow rear exhaust box!

 

[HarveyGTI]

well £600 is alot for fmic but is quiality but you wont see any massive gains!
The thing is when you play around too much with exhaust system by adding high flow cat, and back system you will notiuce alot of back pressure, which i have experinced. You may get a liitle amount of higher top end BUT you will loose alot of low end torque!

If i had the extra cash i would just get the fmic, tip, and high flow rear exhaust box!

of course, swings and roundabouts really, if you want the power spread further or higher up the rev range then their will be the sacrifice of losing power low down to have power higher up

but i prefer the power higher up to be able to hold to the redline almost....and their is stil enough power lower down to make me happy

all down to driver preference really

 

[tinbum]

Revo (to a degree) can be set up how you want it......I have stage 2 and all my power is from 3800/4000 rpm onwards,and yes it pulls to the top.

Dont understand why people would want loads of power any lower....change gear !!! lol

 

[tinbum]

plus as somebody else rightly said, each car is so different....Im reasonably lucky and my revo worked really well, i think my ignition timing was up around 8 past TDC............a mate of mine had his done and it was nowhere near that !!!

I have also been told that LCR 210's are easier and better to remap than the 225....cant state whether there is any ground to this theory but im told its all to do with the valves etc on the new head........!!

 

[Big_daddy]

Revo (to a degree) can be set up how you want it......I have stage 2 and all my power is from 3800/4000 rpm onwards,and yes it pulls to the top.

Dont understand why people would want loads of power any lower....change gear !!! lol

Im revo do wicked remaps, dont get me wrong!

well power wise mines comes in aroun 2.5-3rpm and the then all the way to the rev range!
i wouldnt prefer it from 3800-400 as you rev it all the way like a CTR do! May take abit longer when over taking! so that map **** for me IMO

 

[m0rk]

i wouldnt prefer it from 3800-400 as you rev it all the way like a CTR do!

The day you make a k03 based car rev like a CTR I'll be amazed

no matter how 'custom' anyone states their maps are, they still can't get round the physical hardware issues that limit airflow/spool up/boost

so you can bleat on about xyz tuner, but give or take they're all within 5% of each other even if you 'custom' do anything

 

[tinbum]

The day you make a k03 based car rev like a CTR I'll be amazed

no matter how 'custom' anyone states their maps are, they still can't get round the physical hardware issues that limit airflow/spool up/boost

so you can bleat on about xyz tuner, but give or take they're all within 5% of each other even if you 'custom' do anything

Agree, (I think)...lol
There's nothing custom about mine, just standard stage 2 and I'm more than happy.........the word Custom, normally means extra cost for not much gain...lol

And as I already stated in previous post, you maybe one of the unlucky ones who's car just **** having it !!!

 

[RobM]

The whole custom thing is a bit of a marketing ploy IMO anyway. I mean, every car of that type will have the same hardware, the same operating restrictions, the same characteristics and the same limitations to overcome.

Yes, each car varies a little, but not to the point where one is going to gain a massive amount of power more than the other. And what differences there are will be eradicated by remapping the car and letting the ECU re-learn and adapt to the new configuration.

As soon as you start changing things, big things I mean, that will have a big affect on the characteristics and operation of it then custom is worth looking at. But exhaust, air filter, TIP etc aren't going to change things enough to allow a custom map to make more power than a generic map.

 

[tinbum]

The whole custom thing is a bit of a marketing ploy IMO anyway. I mean, every car of that type will have the same hardware, the same operating restrictions, the same characteristics and the same limitations to overcome.

Yes, each car varies a little, but not to the point where one is going to gain a massive amount of power more than the other. And what differences there are will be eradicated by remapping the car and letting the ECU re-learn and adapt to the new configuration.

As soon as you start changing things, big things I mean, that will have a big affect on the characteristics and operation of it then custom is worth looking at. But exhaust, air filter, TIP etc aren't going to change things enough to allow a custom map to make more power than a generic map.

Yeh agree, but I have heard lots of times that some cars dont seem to map aswell as others.......dont ask me why !!!!