Terminating Formentor.

[Agnes.Surrey]

I started the process of preferential early termination of PCH with VWFS. Basically, you have to find a dealer that will get settlement quote from VWFS and buys the car from them. Customer has to take another finance product with VWFS.

Finding another car with VAG group, that's also manufacturer approved (so they can sell you VWFS finance) limits the choices. I started looking at cars between 2017 and 2019.

Found one decently priced Ateca from 2017, but I'm not sure I will hear back from the dealer. He was supposed to get settlement quote, but went ahead without checking what's the name on the contract and used shorter version of my name and came back with nothing. So he probably thinks, I'm a fraud.

Now negotiating with Skoda dealer, but have to wait until Monday for VWFS to open.

Idea is to find best priced, acceptable car that I can buy on finance and pay it off. If A6 Allroad previous model wasn't crazy expensive now, I would go for one or if there was any decent choice of A8s D4, but there's just a few poorly specced, overpriced cars. I disqualified any cars with adaptive cruise, so again number of models out. So cheapest acceptable car is the way to go.

Got quotes from Webuyanycar and Motorway for £36K. Autotrader says £34.1K. Don't know what's the settlement amount from VWFS, but hopefully, I will get a bit of cash back, from what I already paid.

In normal times, I would just drive the car and suffer, but used car prices and shortage of chips keep prices of used cars high and give me hope, I can get out of this contract without big loss.

Of course, I may get some ridiculous quotes and will have to live with Formentor.

 

[AndyCupra93]

That’s interesting. Does the buying dealer also have to be the one to sell you a new finance product?

Why are you avoiding adaptive cruise? Seems an unnecessary limit to impose, given that if you want a generally high-spec car then adaptive cruise will likely be part of the package.

 

[Peyton]

Sad to hear that, but given everything it is probably a good idea to try and jump early, during the shortage.

I wish you luck.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

That’s interesting. Does the buying dealer also have to be the one to sell you a new finance product?

Why are you avoiding adaptive cruise? Seems an unnecessary limit to impose, given that if you want a generally high-spec car then adaptive cruise will likely be part of the package.

I assume it must be the same dealer. Otherwise, you would be able to just sell the car and not take finance again.

I avoid ACC, because it's one of the reasons to get rid of Formentor. I don't like ACC, I want to decide myself when to slow down and when to accelerate. And if you add poor software in Formentor, it's even worse, car slowing down randomly when another car is on left or on right. I don't expect it will be fixed any time soon.

Every time I drive on motorway, I have to fight with the car. Overriding slowing down, because something is on the other lane, etc.

 

[AndyCupra93]

Every time I drive on motorway, I have to fight with the car. Overriding slowing down, because something is on the other lane, etc.

That’s Travel Assist though, not ACC, is it not?

Regular ACC just uses radar ahead. I guess if you really don’t like that system and cruise control is a must, then you will indeed have to find a vehicle with dumb cruise control.

 

[Tell]

Well the persistence off parameter in OBDEleven / VCDS can be used to turn off lane assistance that isn't SFD locked down so I'm told so every time you start up the car is how you left it and doesn't require you to go thru a flight check before driving off. That way lane assistance is turned off, suspect that then stops the the undertaking checks. I don't use ACC in my Ateca 2016 it can be affected by the digitised road speed or signs that are read on TSR. Popular moan on German boards when the car slows down with nothing in front. Toggle that off.

That's this one on lane assist:

Lane Assist - Remember last setting

• Control Unit A5 - Driver Assistance
  Select Long coding
  Select setting Perso_HC
  Change Activated to Last_setting
  Press the green button to save the changes

Thank's to @t_v finding that. It was always been on the cars with lane assist but VAG didn't use the setting then Seats, 2019 Tarraco activated how it worked... wondered why t_v was going on about it... then on the 2020 models they used the same rolling it out. Been confirmed that it isn't protected by SFD. Perso_HC = Last_setting whacks auto on to off, so if you want to toggle lane assist on you use the stick. Remember how it was last set on or off, not toggling to on each time on ignition. OBDEleven you need the Pro for that.

I'd do that if I had one of the 2020 cars. Must admit I get terrible sinking feeling about the 2020 models, Leon 4 issues which I suspect come across to the Formentor and then the Mib3 issue on navigation, menus etc. The 2020 models must be banded into those that just got Mib3 and then those that got Mib3 and the whole works on the system software side.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

That’s Travel Assist though, not ACC, is it not?

Regular ACC just uses radar ahead. I guess if you really don’t like that system and cruise control is a must, then you will indeed have to find a vehicle with dumb cruise control.

It's ACC alone. It has built in mechanism to avoid undertaking. And since it switches between Europe and UK, it slows down for cars on your right or on your left. It should only slow down for cars on your right in UK. Even, if it worked correctly, I would still find it annoying. Undertaking on M25 is part of life, due to congestion and lane hoggers.

Yes, standard cruise is a must.

 

[AndyCupra93]

It's ACC alone. It has built in mechanism to avoid undertaking. And since it switches between Europe and UK, it slows down for cars on your right or on your left. It should only slow down for cars on your right in UK. Even, if it worked correctly, I would still find it annoying. Undertaking on M25 is part of life, due to congestion and lane hoggers.

Yes, standard cruise is a must.

Oh right, I didn’t realise that happens with standard ACC. My MK7.5 GTI (2017) never had any issues with ACC, so I would say if you can find a vehicle with that previous generation tech you won’t have that specific problem.

 

[Tell]

It's ACC alone. It has built in mechanism to avoid undertaking. And since it switches between Europe and UK, it slows down for cars on your right or on your left. It should only slow down for cars on your right in UK. Even, if it worked correctly, I would still find it annoying. Undertaking on M25 is part of life, due to congestion and lane hoggers.

Yes, standard cruise is a must.

There is stuff about taking the undertaking stuff off.

Yep that here

ACC Right lane undertaking | OBDeleven

I deactivated the ACC undertaking prevention on my golf using the app I think it is physically working but the display on the dash doesn’t show the car in the right hand lane Not sure i

forum.obdeleven.com

In Obdeleven you would have to toggle the long string passing on (0-1) and look at the text.as to which byte to change. Will be different to the above.

I see East Yorkshire Retrofit were in on another thread on the Formentor but what I'd do if I had the car is the above to search for the equivalent

Disable Overtaking on Right Prevention (Undertaking)
Allows ACC equipped RHD vehicles to overtake on the left side, which is blocked by default.

Adaptive Cruise Control (Module 13)
Long Coding
Overtaking_right_prevention
New Value Deactivated
Security code 20103

That can be knocked out whilst the Perso parameter cancels lane assist defaulting to on at ignition.

.... I was always undertaking on the M1 and M25. The centre lane cruisers are pests. They cruise below 70 and if you didn't undertake you would be spending all your time weaving round them.

 

[Tell]

Oh right, I didn’t realise that happens with standard ACC. My MK7.5 GTI (2017) never had any issues with ACC, so I would say if you can find a vehicle with that previous generation tech you won’t have that specific problem.

Or hack it using the above

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

Are these hacks working on Formentor? I was under the impression, that it has new secure platform and it's impossible to modify options except a few small things like muting fake engine sound.

 

[Tell]

I can't see why not, both are on the Leon 4 Obdeleven Proboard thread. I got credited for the Perco one... postman patch from t_v post but found to work on Leon 4's. I passed it over to the Leon 4 people on the Seat cupra side, it worked and it got put up on Obdeleven board as an SFD allowed one.

This thread with a login for the Leon 4

Oops, there was an error! | OBDeleven

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forum.obdeleven.com

Both those two I gave are listed.

On the Formentor side Maypack has turned his sound off... gets credited with that. You need the Pro in anycase for all of this. Think like VW people are like Cupra people, don't dabble . Skoda people are big a modding followed by Seat people .

Whatever works on a Leon 4 outside of lights and specific equipment will work on a Formentor. I personally don't touch performance stuff, it's a bit stupid if you dont want to break your warranty.

Btw you could see whether you could get @Maypack to try those two out if they havent done it already... you might want to keep the car after all. Personally I would turn those off.

Btw all mods in the post 2020 world have to be made with the bonnet lifted else they won't save.

 

[rafletcher]

Re ACC, I had it It on a Honda CRV all of 12 years ago, and it worked like a charm. Of course, there was no undertaking prevention software then. I’m thinking about getting my PFL Cupra Ateca modded to have ACC, but have been worried about all the issues I’ve read about. Nice to know undertaking protection can be disabled, and I don’t (and won’t) have TSR, so I’ll probably go ahead.

 

[Tell]

Yours is a pre face lift Ateca so doesn't have side radar so won't do the undertaking issues.

 

[rafletcher]

Cool. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Seriously?]

Irrespective of whether you can code it out or not, I'm with @Agnes.Surrey on this one; when it gets to a stage where it's no longer a pleasure to drive because the tech is controlling you rather than you controlling the tech, it's time to question why.

 

[Tell]

I think they do that for the NCAP rating. So it's been said, you always get lane assist unless you make a decision to turn it off, the undertaking stuff with AAC. Cars get rated high for safety but judged irritating to drive by some.

Thankfully SFD doesnt lock those elements down. I don't go for automation except for gear changing, never touch the paddles except by accident.

I'm with him on the M25 must be irritating at the junctions where lanes peel off with AAC.... I'll have to look at the VW videos on its use.

 

[bigcarpchaser]

Anywhere Surrey way that’ll turn these off?


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[Tell]

Bit of a drive to East Yorkshire Retrofit.

It's what the app people cash in on the quick press fixes with dongles but reckon it's too early for that but should be easy enough with the Obdeleven Pro version just toggling menus. I've elected Maypack as the test bed who already silenced the engine sound... may be the other features don't annoy him.

Leon 4 people have done those mods with Obdeleven. Formentor is nothing special on it's systems. Having your own dongle means you can undo what you have done if you think the dealer at the time of service will spot changes. Lane assist at service you would leave toggled to on so it still grabbed the steering (they wouldn't detect that you altered the way it remembered the last setting) and ACC doubt they would detect you neutralized the under pass feature.

 

[bigcarpchaser]

I’ll have a looksee thanks mate.
Always a bit wary about these things being a techno numptie. I don’t want to brick my car lol.


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