Terminating Formentor.

[bigcarpchaser]

Ahaa

Coding and Adaptations | OBDeleven

Just putting in a place holder for coding and Adaptations on this car Please note all coding requires to have the bonnet open and the parking break on.

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[Tell]

Depends how good you were in the science lab with the bunsen burner. So only make incremental changes, taking screen shots. You can "back up" with Obdeleven Pro but doesn't have a restore. You have to manually restore each change if you want to go backwards. It does keep a log by system of what you have done in history so you can check what you have done. Example:

Fumbling the "long string" is the one that would cause the most issue. Each control unit has one long string and that is it's settings of how the unit works. With the Pro version which you need to get program control rather than the micro payment apps you get direct access to this. The 0-1 toogle in the screen for that swaps between a passed view of the long string which has text around it and you toggle on and off etc to one where you navigate in the string and byte edit it. The latter is the issue.

Another screen with adaptions where common one are brought out so you search for that setting.

Basic settings hold some:

Examples above for one of the control units in the Ateca.

The undertaking one to target, make that deactivate, save with security code 14117:

The lane assist assist one that takes off lane assist on auto at ignition, make that Last_setting, save with Security code 20103:

Those are the specific mods above, just the line in question, nothing else, set to the new value and save with the security code, button down the bottom to save before exiting the module in Obdeleven ... must have the bonnet up with 2020 models and above to save changes.

Generally you look in the adaptation first, then the parsed long string. Most of the mods are generally in the adaptations. For 2020 and beyond models you have to save changes with the bonnet up else they won't save and not all control units will accept changes due to SFD but that may change. The control units have published security codes that protect them so they are normally published with the mod.

I gave an introduction to Odbeleven on the Ateca thread... The intro stuff is the same except you need bonnet up these days. The white dongle is the Android only one, black is the Android and iPhone one... That's the only things that have changed.

OBDeleven Tool for VCDS type of activity... working ones for the Ateca

This thread covers the use of the OBDeleven tool with worked, tested results on the Ateca 2016 - 2019 models. Check Obdeleven website for news on programming the new 2020 models on progress of this "The programming temporarily is not supported on models that are manufactured from 2020 and have...

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All the published mods can be used on any VCDS type of programmer. Sometimes the way they are published you have to search around a bit to see how they are implemented in Obdeleven but other than that. For common system across VAG cars the mods are the same... The positions in the byte strings may not be. Hence why you need the parsed text ones for those. Alter byte xxx in one model may not be the same in another model.

That's a short introduction.

 

[bigcarpchaser]

Thanks Tell, I’ll do some research and read your threads, nice of you to take the time to make such a detailed reply.
My brother in law programs car re-maps so I might enlist his help, he’s a clever bugger lol


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[Tell]

Sounds like the right person to help.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

So, to summarise, we might be able to code out: fake noise (already disconnected, quicker solution), lane assist and undertaking. But we don't know if there's someone doing it in Surrey or South East and it might be required to change it before service.

It still leaves other stuff that requires switching off at every start: start/stop and front collision.

I went for a test drive in Audi A6 Allroad 2017. I almost got new one in 2017, but then stumbled upon A8 Black Edition PCH promo and took it. Tested A6 had 3.0 TDI engine with 272 HP, the same engine I had in A8. It felt much more dynamic than Formentor and better planted on the road, even in Comfort mode. Air suspension changes depending on the mode you drive and you can see at which level it seats. I had the car for an hour, so could enjoy it on different roads. For me, it was far superior than Formentor and I'm sure it can take me to places, where Formentor can't and Audi won't be beeping every time I encounter foliage when off the road. Sadly, this particular car had 20 inch wheels, which I think are not suitable for Allroad and glass roof which I don't need. It also had a bit shabby exterior, plenty of minor damage, stone chips, scratches, etc. Supposedly, dealer can fix it before handing over the car. One owner, bought and serviced at this particular dealer, returned as part exchange. It's well specced car and it's one of the cheapest A6 Allroad on the market, but didn't feel like the one I should get. Friend suggested I can buy smaller wheels and sell 20 inch ones, but then it will require informing insurance, because it will count as modification.

Audi sales technic was classic: let's add as many unnecesary products and add them to PCP cost. They also had £139 admin fee and £30 fuel fee. Franchised dealer, no different from any trader. I don't think, I will be taking this car, but I let them get the quote from VWFS, to see how much change could cost me.

I have Skoda Octavia vRS lined up at different dealer, it's much cheaper than A6, but of course doesn't have certain options or air suspension. I couldn't test drive it yet, due to its location. And when you take PCP, you get 2 years warranty and 2 services and MOTs. At this price point, I can pay off PCP next day and be done with VWFS. Decent offer and safe, cheap choice to wait out the market and find what I want, whatever it is. Definitely nothing SUV like.

 

[Tell]

So, to summarise, we might be able to code out: fake noise (already disconnected, quicker solution), lane assist and undertaking. But we don't know if there's someone doing it in Surrey or South East and it might be required to change it before service.

It still leaves other stuff that requires switching off at every start: start/stop and front collision.

I went for a test drive in Audi A6 Allroad 2017. I almost got new one in 2017, but then stumbled upon A8 Black Edition PCH promo and took it. Tested A6 had 3.0 TDI engine with 272 HP, the same engine I had in A8. It felt much more dynamic than Formentor and better planted on the road, even in Comfort mode. Air suspension changes depending on the mode you drive and you can see at which level it seats. I had the car for an hour, so could enjoy it on different roads. For me, it was far superior than Formentor and I'm sure it can take me to places, where Formentor can't and Audi won't be beeping every time I encounter foliage when off the road. Sadly, this particular car had 20 inch wheels, which I think are not suitable for Allroad and glass roof which I don't need. It also had a bit shabby exterior, plenty of minor damage, stone chips, scratches, etc. Supposedly, dealer can fix it before handing over the car. One owner, bought and serviced at this particular dealer, returned as part exchange. It's well specced car and it's one of the cheapest A6 Allroad on the market, but didn't feel like the one I should get. Friend suggested I can buy smaller wheels and sell 20 inch ones, but then it will require informing insurance, because it will count as modification.

Audi sales technic was classic: let's add as many unnecesary products and add them to PCP cost. They also had £139 admin fee and £30 fuel fee. Franchised dealer, no different from any trader. I don't think, I will be taking this car, but I let them get the quote from VWFS, to see how much change could cost me.

I have Skoda Octavia vRS lined up at different dealer, it's much cheaper than A6, but of course doesn't have certain options or air suspension. I couldn't test drive it yet, due to its location. And when you take PCP, you get 2 years warranty and 2 services and MOTs. At this price point, I can pay off PCP next day and be done with VWFS. Decent offer and safe, cheap choice to wait out the market and find what I want, whatever it is. Definitely nothing SUV like.

I think you can switch the start / stop of using the aircon method. It's been said on the Obdeleven board on Leon 4 so will be the same

Deactivate Stop Start

- Select Control Unit 08 (Air Conditioning)
- Select Adaptation
- Select Deactivation of Start Stop Function

You must have AC on for it to work. Turn AC off to retrigger the start stop again. They are faking methods to save battery consumption.

I've read reports it's works.... I've reports it does but perhaps they were not executed correctly, bonnet up etc.

Start Stop deactivation - solution for 5f MY2020 ?!? | OBDeleven

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Varying reports... you have to try it out:

2020 problem (Start Stop&Sign Recognition | OBDeleven

Hello 1) I want disable start stop on 2020 Skoda/Seat I put 12.1 make a green confirm. But Start Stop Still Work 2) I want to coding Sign Traffic Recognition But can

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(Security code 20103)

Buy yourself the device !. Pro version and take out the annual license. Bonnet up to save .

All the 2020- VAG models are going to have the under taking feature activated by default with AAC, lane assist set to come on, on ignition, plus the SS. Last is the only one on the list I might have some doubt as to whether you can neutralise that.

The foliage, may be your front assist needs adjusting. Mine use to give me more issues than it does now. It never wacks the brakes on except in to situations where it needed to (twice, once I was driving, it the hit the brakes before I did). You get the warnings sometimes but not the braking, wet foliage on banks.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

I switch off front assist, it's the emergency braking at the rear that can't be switched off. So when reversing on the meadow with high grass or along single lane road, it's causing issues.

 

[Tell]

I switch off front assist, it's the emergency braking at the rear that can't be switched off. So when reversing on the meadow with high grass or along single lane road, it's causing issues.

That will be the blind spot radar... may be or may be not. Full ultrasound may be more likely. Try toggling blind spot off although more likely rear ultrasound. So you dont hit walls etc, blind spot radar stops you hitting anything that gets in your way when reversing by slamming the brakes on. Haven't tried ultra sound on the garden wall here... stop on the red bar reversing image .

Probably settings to de tune in Obdeleven how it sees the rear. If you toggled blind assist off on the cars menu you could see whether it's the rear radar on either side that picks up the grass reversing.... that would answer that question or whether it's ultrasound thinking the grass is more solid than it is.

Automatic full ultrasound is good on country roads since it gives you can idea of when to panic when passing something. Can't say it's ever slammed the brakes on in an Ateca or Arona with it. Blind spot reversing does.

 

[AndyCupra93]

I suspect it is the blind spot monitoring too. I’ve had it slam on the brakes while slowly reverse parking very close to a parallel bush, but nothing behind the car within >2m

It’s amazing how much you feel when brakes come on at like 1mph. Feels like you hit a brick wall!

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

I don't have a place to test it if it's blind spot monitoring or not. I already cut the bushes by the garage and not going to any meadow any time soon.

 

[MattyD803]

I don't think it is the "blind spot monitoring" causing this, it is more like the "cross traffic assist" that is stopping you, as it think's something is approaching as you reverse backwards?

We often have to reverse out from our driveway between laurel bushes onto a relatively busy road, and it never detects anything passive such as greenery? It does activate the audible tone if something is coming and will eventually stop you if you ignore it, so it works like a charm even with foliage close by? I wonder if that needs resetting or adjusting?

 

[AndyCupra93]

I don't think it is the "blind spot monitoring" causing this, it is more like the "cross traffic assist" that is stopping you, as it think's something is approaching as you reverse backwards?

We often have to reverse out from our driveway between laurel bushes onto a relatively busy road, and it never detects anything passive such as greenery? It does activate the audible tone if something is coming and will eventually stop you if you ignore it, so it works like a charm even with foliage close by? I wonder if that needs resetting or adjusting?

Yeah I think we’re just referring to it by a different name, but essentially the assist system that uses side radar/ultrasound to detect perpendicular objects/people approaching.

I don’t know how cleverly it detects actual movement versus a very close stationary object.

 

[rafletcher]

Comparing an A6 to a Formentor is like comparing apples to cheese. Completely different beast.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

I compare how dynamic it feels when driving, boot size and options. I chose Formentor, because it looked good on paper: 310PS, 4.9s to 0-100km/0-62miles, leather interior, electric tailgate with kick gesture, folding mirrors and other options. I thought it will be more sporty, but all the nanny systems and ecology muted it. It's my fault for not being up to date with VAG technology.

 

[Tell]

I don't think it is the "blind spot monitoring" causing this, it is more like the "cross traffic assist" that is stopping you, as it think's something is approaching as you reverse backwards?

We often have to reverse out from our driveway between laurel bushes onto a relatively busy road, and it never detects anything passive such as greenery? It does activate the audible tone if something is coming and will eventually stop you if you ignore it, so it works like a charm even with foliage close by? I wonder if that needs resetting or adjusting?

The blind spot does rear cross, so if you turn blind spot off you wont get rear cross. You can plaster mud over the two radar positions if you find them, if like the Ateca that causes an error and toggles off blind sport. All the same system.

Mud in that area in an interesting one since it forces a toggle off till you clean it, won't come back on due to the bounce back, whilst mud on the front assist doesn't.. .. e.g. water.

 

[Tell]

I compare how dynamic it feels when driving, boot size and options. I chose Formentor, because it looked good on paper: 310PS, 4.9s to 0-100km/0-62miles, leather interior, electric tailgate with kick gesture, folding mirrors and other options. I thought it will be more sporty, but all the nanny systems and ecology muted it. It's my fault for not being up to date with VAG technology.

Well I think you only got problems reversing at the end of the day if you mute the other features. May be the ultrasound needs re-calibrating or blind spot (rear cross). Needs experimenting to see whether turning off blind spot picks up the foliage, then just getting the system recalibrated which ever one it is.... but I guess you feel you might have had enough of the car perhaps.

 

[Deleted member 131219]

I compare how dynamic it feels when driving, boot size and options. I chose Formentor, because it looked good on paper: 310PS, 4.9s to 0-100km/0-62miles, leather interior, electric tailgate with kick gesture, folding mirrors and other options. I thought it will be more sporty, but all the nanny systems and ecology muted it. It's my fault for not being up to date with VAG technology.

I don’t think it’s your fault. At worst, all you did was not anticipate how invasive and all-pervading modern technology and legislation are on car design. The Cupra’s only fault is to be new and leading that irreversible trend. It might still be possible to replace the Cupra with something that you find less intrusive and nannying, but the window of opportunity is closing rapidly.

 

[Agnes.Surrey]

Well I think you only got problems reversing at the end of the day if you mute the other features. May be the ultrasound needs re-calibrating or blind spot (rear cross). Needs experimenting to see whether turning off blind spot picks up the foliage, then just getting the system recalibrated which ever one it is.... but I guess you feel you might have had enough of the car perhaps.

You have all the tools and knowledge to do coding, so it sounds easy. I don't have tools and not going to invest in them in hope that it may or may not change car's behaviour. And there doesn't seem to be anyone in South East to do the coding.

I just want to get in the car and drive it, without observing systems behaviour and going on the forum to work out how they should work.

 

[Tell]

You have all the tools and knowledge to do coding, so it sounds easy. I don't have tools and not going to invest in them in hope that it may or may not change car's behaviour. And there doesn't seem to be anyone in South East to do the coding.

I just want to get in the car and drive it, without observing systems behaviour and going on the forum to work out how they should work.

Strictly speaking you are suppose to take what is given. It's not too tricky to change those parameters thou. Small investment for a big return.

 

[rafletcher]

You have all the tools and knowledge to do coding, so it sounds easy. I don't have tools and not going to invest in them in hope that it may or may not change car's behaviour. And there doesn't seem to be anyone in South East to do the coding.

I just want to get in the car and drive it, without observing systems behaviour and going on the forum to work out how they should work.

If it's just coding, you could try https://www.vagcarcoding.com/ in Muswell Hill.