Twincharge engine to be axed?

[Deleted member 49882]

'nough said! 5years on the trot..
http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_10/1_14.html

Edit: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_10/winner.html

(close thread please) lol

 

[pault56]

'nough said! 5years on the trot..
http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_10/1_14.html

(close thread please) lol

well said! It would make no sense at all for vw to keep churning out these engines if they had significant problems, cost of repairs as well as adverse publicity would not make any sense. It is unfortunate that some forum members have had problems but i think these on the whole must be fairly rare. To win above award five years running would surely suggest these are good engines, and not dogs as many recent threads continue to suggest..

 

[Mr Cellotape]

well said! It would make no sense at all for vw to keep churning out these engines if they had significant problems, cost of repairs as well as adverse publicity would not make any sense. It is unfortunate that some forum members have had problems but i think these on the whole must be fairly rare. To win above award five years running would surely suggest these are good engines, and not dogs as many recent threads continue to suggest..

I'm not so sure that the problems are rare, however we should agree to disagree on that one.

It would appear that the dealers service technicians do not understand the engine and as usual are going by fault codes alone rather than doing some simple fault finding. If the engine is too complex for a simple fault to be found then perhaps the real fault lies with Seat for not training the staff sufficiently to detect the fault.

If this is in fact all down to a single/multiple part failure then perhaps Seat should be providing technical updates to all service staff as a minimum anda recall for changes to the problem part where required.

You can be sure they wouldn't sit on these problems if it was the US Market as they would get dragged through court very quickly.

 

[Deleted member 49882]

I'm not so sure that the problems are rare, however we should agree to disagree on that one.

It would appear that the dealers service technicians do not understand the engine and as usual are going by fault codes alone rather than doing some simple fault finding. If the engine is too complex for a simple fault to be found then perhaps the real fault lies with Seat for not training the staff sufficiently to detect the fault.

If this is in fact all down to a single/multiple part failure then perhaps Seat should be providing technical updates to all service staff as a minimum anda recall for changes to the problem part where required.

You can be sure they wouldn't sit on these problems if it was the US Market as they would get dragged through court very quickly.

The piece you said about the US market...that would be my point as well. See the second link in my previous post!

 

[Mr Cellotape]

Exactly, perhaps the US VW service techs are getting good training on the engine and the Seat techs are having to "suck it an see" to figure out what is wrong.

 

[robdf2]

this thread seems to have split into 2 topics now , ok so its won the best engine agian whoopy doo de doo.

so here lies the dilema for vag group , in the original post it said about expensive to manufacture , maybe this is why they might pull it? if i was a betting man i would agree , there was an article either late last year or this year about seat loosing too much money and that they had 5 years to turn the company aroud , ok so its not a seat specific engine but , you have to think with all these engine problems , and please stop looking at this through rose tinted glasses because there are a lot of problems look on scirroco forums loads have the same issues , that this expensive to produce engine is actually costing the vag group a hell of a lot of money to maintain through warranty work and replacements.
there is no argument about it being frugal and technologicaly advanced but that doesnt help you when your car is in limp mode !
i think the engine will get pulled,but in the vag groups eyes they will save face because of the positive media and awards but in reality i think it will become a legacy they could probably do without my opinion ,unless they get to the fix and quick but as i have already posted these problems have been known about for some time.
but a very valid point has been raised is th american lemon law , its about time consumers in the uk were protected by something simliar and manufactuers were held to task over it.
oh and just one final bit on the awards , i was reading what the awards are about and its a panel of judges who drive and rate the cars now they arnt exactly going to be driving faulty ones are they? just a thought.

 

[great_kahn]

this thread seems to have split into 2 topics now , ok so its won the best engine agian whoopy doo de doo.

so here lies the dilema for vag group , in the original post it said about expensive to manufacture , maybe this is why they might pull it? if i was a betting man i would agree , there was an article either late last year or this year about seat loosing too much money and that they had 5 years to turn the company aroud , ok so its not a seat specific engine but , you have to think with all these engine problems , and please stop looking at this through rose tinted glasses because there are a lot of problems look on scirroco forums loads have the same issues , that this expensive to produce engine is actually costing the vag group a hell of a lot of money to maintain through warranty work and replacements.
there is no argument about it being frugal and technologicaly advanced but that doesnt help you when your car is in limp mode !
i think the engine will get pulled,but in the vag groups eyes they will save face because of the positive media and awards but in reality i think it will become a legacy they could probably do without my opinion ,unless they get to the fix and quick but as i have already posted these problems have been known about for some time.
but a very valid point has been raised is th american lemon law , its about time consumers in the uk were protected by something simliar and manufactuers were held to task over it.
oh and just one final bit on the awards , i was reading what the awards are about and its a panel of judges who drive and rate the cars now they arnt exactly going to be driving faulty ones are they? just a thought.

Mazdas Renesis rotary engine won engine of the year. Doesn't matter that it's an unreliable hunk of **** that won't get more than 20mpg uses a litre of fuel every 1000 miles, produces more co2 than a turbo v8, turn the engine off cold and you will **** it up, rev it even slightly hard from cold and you will **** it up. Drive it normaly and treat it well chances are you are going to be landed with a rather large repair bill at some point.

Engine of the year? Brilliant.

 

[Deleted member 49882]

this thread seems to have split into 2 topics now , ok so its won the best engine agian whoopy doo de doo.

so here lies the dilema for vag group , in the original post it said about expensive to manufacture , maybe this is why they might pull it? if i was a betting man i would agree , there was an article either late last year or this year about seat loosing too much money and that they had 5 years to turn the company aroud , ok so its not a seat specific engine but , you have to think with all these engine problems , and please stop looking at this through rose tinted glasses because there are a lot of problems look on scirroco forums loads have the same issues , that this expensive to produce engine is actually costing the vag group a hell of a lot of money to maintain through warranty work and replacements.
there is no argument about it being frugal and technologicaly advanced but that doesnt help you when your car is in limp mode !
i think the engine will get pulled,but in the vag groups eyes they will save face because of the positive media and awards but in reality i think it will become a legacy they could probably do without my opinion ,unless they get to the fix and quick but as i have already posted these problems have been known about for some time.
but a very valid point has been raised is th american lemon law , its about time consumers in the uk were protected by something simliar and manufactuers were held to task over it.
oh and just one final bit on the awards , i was reading what the awards are about and its a panel of judges who drive and rate the cars now they arnt exactly going to be driving faulty ones are they? just a thought.

So....you are telling me that these well known engine problems have been going on for 5 or more years and nothing has been done about it? That simply doesn't make sense...if its a lemon, then it would have been pulled long long ago instead of still being rolled out across VAG range and into America. Moreover ... do you honestly think that the VAG accountants would let something like this continue ?? I don't think so ... certainly wouldn't let it continue for 5yrs if there were serious problems which could cost the company significant financial problems.

As for the engine being pulled, things change ... it will undoubtedly be replaced with something else in the near future...evolution!

 

[matt_s]

'nough said! 5years on the trot..
http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_10/1_14.html

Edit: http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/winners_10/winner.html

(close thread please) lol

That just means that it's a really good idea and is innovative. It is powerful and economical and has a nice torque spread. Nothing about if it is profitable or reliable.

Look at the car of the year, the latest winner is the Nissan Leaf. Good idea, innovative. Would you have one? No.

 

[Deleted member 49882]

That just means that it's a really good idea and is innovative. It is powerful and economical and has a nice torque spread. Nothing about if it is profitable or reliable.

Look at the car of the year, the latest winner is the Nissan Leaf. Good idea, innovative. Would you have one? No.

No it doesn't ... what it means is it has picked up best engine for last 5yrs running ... if it was crap or unreliable then this wouldn't be the case. Best international engine for two years running! If it wasn't profitable, then it wouldn't be rolled out as it has AND now into America. I honestly don't understand some of you guys ... or your logic. There is too much at stake to lose if the engine flawed...may be I am wrong and only time will tell ... but the engine has been on the go now for 5yrs, so why problems now?

 

[jc_boc]

I still say it is down to assembly problems. These engines are all put together by humans and all you need is the one lazy sod to have put your motor together and you are screwed and all you can do is hope that you get some one who has some sort of sense working on your car and fixing it. Training issues? I think that may where the problem is....................

 

[robdf2]

So....you are telling me that these well known engine problems have been going on for 5 or more years and nothing has been done about it? That simply doesn't make sense...if its a lemon, then it would have been pulled long long ago instead of still being rolled out across VAG range and into America. Moreover ... do you honestly think that the VAG accountants would let something like this continue ?? I don't think so ... certainly wouldn't let it continue for 5yrs if there were serious problems which could cost the company significant financial problems.

As for the engine being pulled, things change ... it will undoubtedly be replaced with something else in the near future...evolution!

what i have posted is that i was told last year that there have been problems with the 1.4 from a seat master tech problems with constant missfires , i cant tell you about the 4 years previous as i only was told last year.
as for production of the engine once the justiifcation has been made , tooling , pattererns and fixed contracts are inplace it would cost more to pull the engine in the early stages than carry on and try to repair it.
i would imagine that if its in america the emissions regs would be different and it would not be the same tight tolerances the european engines are built to , i could be wrong but being an engineer , things are made for purpose and function but not the same for everywhere !
dont get me wrong im not salting the engine or the fact when it runs its probably very good , but to be blinded by the fact its won awards does not make it great , especially with the evidence from this forum alone that it is full of gremlins and faults which have yet have not been identified oe resolved , seat wont willy nilly fit new engines because of a missfire thiink about it .

 

[t0m]

They should replace it with the 1.6 NGTC spec BTCC turbocharged engine's from next year

Plenty of poke..

 

[matt_s]

No it doesn't ... what it means is it has picked up best engine for last 5yrs running ... if it was crap or unreliable then this wouldn't be the case. Best international engine for two years running! If it wasn't profitable, then it wouldn't be rolled out as it has AND now into America. I honestly don't understand some of you guys ... or your logic. There is too much at stake to lose if the engine flawed...may be I am wrong and only time will tell ... but the engine has been on the go now for 5yrs, so why problems now?

The links posted don't talk about anything other than power produced, economy and other great charateristics, no real world experience. There is no way that the judges drove cars with any of the engines installed considering the number of judges and engines considered so it's all done on manufacturers bumpf and press reviews.

Of course the problem may be that SEAT can't put the engine in the car correctly and consistantly and then can't diagnose faults because it has issues that don't come up on the computer. Forget the it has been used for 5 years across the group, SEAT have only just started using it and probably don't have a lot of experience with it. Plus the dealers can be very poor and this blows issues up from small things to people swearing that they will never have another VAG car ever due to unfixable faults. For the consumer it's difficult to tell the difference between a fault that can't be fixed and a dealer that can't fix it.

 

[skeat12]

uses a litre of fuel every 1000 miles

I want one

 

[Leonidas]

Id say it was oil he ment^^

 

[CJRamze]

Mazdas Renesis rotary engine won engine of the year. Doesn't matter that it's an unreliable hunk of **** that won't get more than 20mpg uses a litre of fuel every 1000 miles, produces more co2 than a turbo v8, turn the engine off cold and you will **** it up, rev it even slightly hard from cold and you will **** it up. Drive it normaly and treat it well chances are you are going to be landed with a rather large repair bill at some point.

Engine of the year? Brilliant.

Hehe,
I was thinking exactly the same thing.

I've not owned a Twin Charger but everytime I visit the MK4 forum (Or Leon MK 1) it tends to be quirky little problems that you get with cars over 4 years old rather than larger problems. Sure you get a few turbochargers explode here and there or water pumps failing but thats a problem that will also affect MK5's

What concerns me is that I only drift in and out of the MK5 forum out of Curiosity and it seems more... Topic heavy on problems that are coming with Cars out of the factory with engine and gearbox issues, And having both a supercharger and turbocharger means twice the expense.

After seeing Ibizaracebrakes Ibiza I wanted one but after watching the MK5 forums for about 4 months I ended up deciding on a MK1 Leon.

 

[jc_boc]

Now that's just the wierd thing. Look at ibizaracebrake, techie, mardon, and quite a few others who have been quiet on here and myself. No issues whatsoever............... I think it is only really 4 or 5 guys on here who are having proper serious issues with their cars...... or am i wrong? Just found this too, strange considering they may "axe the engine"

http://www.germancarblog.com/2010/07/vw-jetta-hybrid-will-use-twincharger-engine/

 

[WJs]

VW is not going to axe the engine, these engines are the future.
Does autocar have a real source, or is it like most of the time just random blabla to fill up empty space?

 

[ibizaracebrake]

VW is not going to axe the engine, these engines are the future.
Does autocar have a real source, or is it like most of the time just random blabla to fill up empty space?

Although I love the twincharge engine, it has been out 5 years now and I bet its possible to get the same figures with a turbo-only setup these days. PS........... if my car accelerates to 100mph in 13.1 sec, how long till it hit light speed, IF it could continue accelerating at that rate? (I never was any good at maths)