Backend stepping out badly in the wet

[Ruddmeister]

i quite like the skiddy back but then im use to the s2000,

On a Leon it's no fun IMO............I binned an LC at about 70mph in the wet on the motorway trying to avoid a loony in a transit (new front tyres and worn rears) ........after the fifth spin and contact with the armco and a merc van the appeal of a skiddy back end disapperaed

 

[DannyC87]

in the right situation its good fun; however in everyday driving its just dangerous! opposite locking round roundabouts isn't something i like doing when others are around! any advice on decent tyres to have on the rear? cheers

 

[UncleFester]

Running with Falken Fk451 front and back and an uprated ARB kit and bushes ... the back end will come round but only with savage provocation and even then it's catchable. I have a fair bit of weight over the rear axle in mine which i am sure helps.

 

[Ruddmeister]

in the right situation its good fun; however in everyday driving its just dangerous! opposite locking round roundabouts isn't something i like doing when others are around! any advice on decent tyres to have on the rear? cheers

I used Goodyear Eagles and Toyo Proxes.......preferred the Goodyear Eagle F1's, quite reasonable if you shop around a bit

 

[Deleted member 19366]

Sorry if you've heard this all before but. New tyres should alway's go to the rear of a vehicle if all 4 tyre's on the car are the same size. This is help's under braking and help's to minimalis oversteer, basical when braking or cornering the weight of the car is shifted to the front or side this then causes the rear of the car to become light, on front wheel drive car's this is exagerated due to there not being much weight over the rear axle regardless of how much ice you have in the back. In the wet the chances of the back end stepping out or aqua plaining are higher, as the less tread on the tyre means the tyre will not be able to keep contact with the road and do it's job properly. The rubber manufactor's institution investigated this about 7 yrs ago and with all the tyre companies doing thier own test decided this was the safest place to put new tyre's when only changing 2. Every tyre fitting centre should've received a copy of this memo, we've been doing this for 7 yrs at work, kwik fit have only just started advising ppl.

 

[DannyC87]

Cheers for the info mate; pretty much summed up what i've read before. I just need a recommendation for a pair of tyres to put on the rear? i'm thinking falkens/goodyears/toyos/yokos at the moment? the rear tyres i've got on are practically new; they are just cr*p; so wanting to change for something better quality.

 

[Deleted member 19366]

in my experience toyo/yoko's grip well in the dry but not so good in the wet. If I was you I'd pay out for a decent make like bf goodridge/goodyear/michelin/conti etc. I know some ppl on here swear by the toyos yoko falken etc but the way I look at it is you get what you pay for each to their own and all that. Where are you located Dannyc87

 

[DannyC87]

I'm currently located between Holloway in North London, and Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk! thanks for your info. I will have a scout about for prices!

 

[Bosher]

Yeah... I'll be interested in people's opinions on this too, as getting ready to buy a set of 18" rims.

I've already found out how skittish the back end can be in the wet with naff cheapo tyres (hey.. i've only had the motor a couple of months... gimme a chance)

 

[andycupra]

yes new tyres on the front,
but you should also try and run the same or near same tyres front and rear.

IF you run great tyres front and not so great rear then its no real surprise that the rear then becomes loose.

 

[sykesytdi]

ive got bridgestones on mine.... had no probs in the wet...... are they any good???

 

[slatord]

I have GSD3's all round, probably the best i have tried for in the wet. Unless you chuck it into the corner the back seems stable all the way through. There are soom good prices around so have a good look, you will be surprised in the difference between one place and another

 

[lordgibbness]

I've got Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric's all-round and in the rain this weekend, the cornering was absolutely fantastic. In fact, I can corner as fast in damp conditions now as I could in the dry when I had my old Pirelli Pzero Rosso's on the car! Very very impressed, but then they should be good at £110 a corner!

 

[Ruddmeister]

but then they should be good at £110 a corner!

Although the Pirelli's are the same cost and Sh1te in comparison

 

[HJL]

I've heard this website is good value for tyres, read on another forum that people use them.
Only thing is you have to go somewhere to get them fitted. But for performance tyres there might be a good saving over buying in your local tyre place.

http://www.camskill.co.uk

 

[OFI]

in my experience toyo/yoko's grip well in the dry but not so good in the wet. If I was you I'd pay out for a decent make like bf goodridge/goodyear/michelin/conti etc. I know some ppl on here swear by the toyos yoko falken etc but the way I look at it is you get what you pay for each to their own and all that. Where are you located Dannyc87

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Toyo T1R's are priced to match Goodyear Eagle F1's and are often rated as an even match.

In Auto Express's Tyre Test 2007, BFGoodrich G-Force Profiler came 9th to Toyos 7th, with the Toyos rated 'Excellent in the wet' and marked down for running costs.

The other manufacturers (wet) tyres did however achieve higher results all round but the Toyos are by no means a 2nd class tyre.

Everyone have spoken to have said Yokos wear too quickly, are great in the dry and worse than rubbish in the wet though

I don't know if i'm just taking it easy in my car but *touch wood* mine sticks well wet or dry and I don't have the best tyres at the moment. Unfortunately it came with Goodyear NCT5s and a random new tyre. One of the Goodyears has now worn and been replaced with a T1R.
Aiming to not drive like a loony until I can convince my gf I need some new 18s with a good set of tyres all round

 

[paullec]

ive got some goodyear excellence, not had any probs as yet and there so so so quiet in use.

 

[Deleted member 19366]

yes new tyres on the front,
but you should also try and run the same or near same tyres front and rear.

IF you run great tyres front and not so great rear then its no real surprise that the rear then becomes loose.

The only type of car that demands all 4 tyre's to be of the same make tread compound are 4 wheel drive's. New tyre's should alway's go to the rear where applicable. I've never had the back end of mine step out even when it's been raining heavily or snowing. The only time I've had back step out is when I went on a driving course that had two indentical car's 1 with near tyre's on the front and the other with new tyre's on the rear. It was on a wet test track at 30 mph and no matter how much I try'd to control it the car with new tyre's on the front would not go round a corner without spinning. But when driving the car with new tyres on the rear it wouldn't step out not even when I floor'd it and try'd to get some lift off oversteer.

 

[ChrisGTL]

Does spacing the rear wheels not improve the lively rear-end?

 

[Willie]

Yup this should help Chris

dav3 if your not getting the rear end to step out your not trying hard enough

Even with michellin pilot winter tyres on and driving hard the first thing that goes with me is the rear.
Sometimes in the wet the front will try to go but only when going slow, which doesn't happen often