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Craig Senior said:
Correct, I have a single button marked "ESP" between the seats.
TCS is incorporated as a subset of ESP, it's one single system. Therefore if you switch off ESP, you lose all ESP/TCS-type functions (presumably the EDL function too, not sure though).
Reading from the Bosch site, ESP has improved over time, and will continue to improve and add more functions to future versions.
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W4YNE said:
Yes,
ESP uses a gyroscope which measures the tilt of the body if this becomes to much and the car starts losing traction then it cuts in, also it get's information from the ABS instrument panel etc etc.
If you switch ESP off the TCS should remain is i remember rightly. On peugeot's the ESP comes back on above 60 Mph and comes on when car goes over a certain limit even when it is switched off.
Niall -> Think we've just contradicted each other with regards to TCS remaining if ESP is switched off. Looks like a test is in order tonight 
On my moms 3 series if you press the button once quickly it just turns of esp and leaves the edl active and puts only one light on on the dash. Howether if you press and hold the button instead it shuts the system down completely and two lights come on.
Note that EDL/EDS cannot be turned off.
Personally I'm not 100% convinced that its the ESP that stops the inside rear wheel when it lifts off the ground. Whats the point of ESP applying the brakes to a wheel thats not touching the ground?
Also, you can lift the inside rear wheel off the ground before breaking traction, so the ESP yaw sensor wont be complaining.
Obviously if you apply the brake, even a tiny bit, when a wheel is off the ground then it will stop. Ok, not normally a good idea to brake if you are corning that hard anyway though.
Ben
Personally I'm not 100% convinced that its the ESP that stops the inside rear wheel when it lifts off the ground. Whats the point of ESP applying the brakes to a wheel thats not touching the ground?
Also, you can lift the inside rear wheel off the ground before breaking traction, so the ESP yaw sensor wont be complaining.
Obviously if you apply the brake, even a tiny bit, when a wheel is off the ground then it will stop. Ok, not normally a good idea to brake if you are corning that hard anyway though.
Ben
BenS1 said:
Most of the SCC cars were locking the lifted wheel in to the first corner at Donington. Wouldn't have thought they were fitted with ESP or similar.
Maybe the wheel bearings were knackered
Anybody seen my coat?
Perhaps there's enough drag between disks/pads to stop the wheel when it's in the air, even when the brakes are being applied ?
You may just find that its down to trail braking, ie. you are still on the brakes as you enter the corner.
Ben
Ben
Who really cares anyway? heh. I prefer to drive the car myself so have the TCS off all the time. Pain in the backside though, does anyone know if VAG.COM can set the TCS to be off when you start the car?
I drive a Passat quite often and although I'm sure ESP is a valuable safety tool, it more often than not just feels like someone put my mother behind the wheel when pushing it.
I drive a Passat quite often and although I'm sure ESP is a valuable safety tool, it more often than not just feels like someone put my mother behind the wheel when pushing it.
wow, what a topic starter i got going!
just a shame i dont understand any of what ppl are saying!!!
tcs is good, was showin me mate how it worked in the wet, went round a roundabout, floored it in 2nd an it kicked in superbly!!!! car went slidin, TCS cut power down, and on, and down, and on but it did it so well it wasnt jerky or anything! it was switchin traction control on an off really quickly! kept me in line with where i wanted to go an happily drove off!
just a shame i dont understand any of what ppl are saying!!!
tcs is good, was showin me mate how it worked in the wet, went round a roundabout, floored it in 2nd an it kicked in superbly!!!! car went slidin, TCS cut power down, and on, and down, and on but it did it so well it wasnt jerky or anything! it was switchin traction control on an off really quickly! kept me in line with where i wanted to go an happily drove off!
Personally I think the traction control in the Ibiza & Fabia is crap. That video that got posted confirmed my suspicions that in fact it can even be dangerous if you drive fast. I remember once my Fabia's TCS kicking in mid bend in the wet and me sliding perilously close the kerb. If I intend to drive fast at all, it ALWAYS get switched off, as its just too restrictive.
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