With respect m0rk, how has he done that? I am another purchaser of Galfer pads and I appreciate the explanation and offer of support.
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With respect m0rk, how has he done that? I am another purchaser of Galfer pads and I appreciate the explanation and offer of support.
basically we spell it out clearly why we need traders to support SCN. clearly if people just come posting - why would traders support us?
I understand that. But say for example in this same thread, a number of forum users expressed concerns after using Ferodo DS2500s. I am sure we would all want and hope that Bill (ibiziacupra) would come along and attempt to offer some advice and support. There is a distinct difference between traders who use this forum clearly as a means of advertising (they get their own section etc) and those who just propher statement or comment.
The guy from Galfer hasn't really come on here saying "there is no problem whatsoever with our pads" or "they are the best pads available - better than the ones traders on the forum advertise". He has simply recognised that there are a number of very disgruntled users out there and he has gone "public" in his offer of help. I for one will be sending him my knackered 1045s for comment.
What would be proper would be for them to arrange for sme scored disks and pads to be removed etc. at there expense to enable them to investigate this potentialy dangerous fault.
They may be doing this and if o well done, but if not pull your finger out and be pro-ative
They may be doing this and if o well done, but if not pull your finger out and be pro-ative
Quick question, i know the disks an pads are not lasting but are they still working? I.E. are they working ok just not lasting? (Just wondering a si have a mate whos out in europe with them on and wondered if it maybe worth telling him to be carefull?
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Without having the discs and pads to hand its diificult to comment accurately as to their performance. Scoring in itself (depending on the depth) is not normally associated with a drop off in brake performance.
Whilst we are 100% happy to have any returned pads and discs sent onto Galfer's labs in Spain for a full analysis, the cost of any replacement discs is not something we are considering at this stage.
We have 2 non SEAT vehicles (but running the SEAT type pad with wear indicatiors disabled) running with 1055 and 1045 pads from the same batch and have covered over 12k each with no visable signs of disc degredation. We have other SEAT customers (including my wifes SEAT) where no disc degradation has occured and we are aware of some disc problems with OE spec pads in SEAT Leon Cupra R vehicles so the problem is not obviously with the pads and doesnt seem to affect all cars.
This is why its prefferable to have pads and discs tested properly to understand where the issue is.
I have to say I am disspointed with comments made by some SEAT forum members and perhaps if they were more accurate in describing what they have been told in future, it might be more helpful.
Anyone returning pads for testing should include details such as, date purchased/fitted mileage the car has covered, mileage discs had done before replacing pads, mileage when disc damage became apparant. We also require details of the bedding in proceedure followed.
Lab analysis from Galfer will be able to determine accurately the life the pads and discs have had with regards to wear rates and heat levels attained etc.
I am sure you are all grown up enough to appreciate that while we will do what we can to assist and if there is a fault due to Galfer products supplied we will work with Galfer to resolve the situation, however if a fault lies elsewhere we will not be prepared to accept any liability.
Whilst we are 100% happy to have any returned pads and discs sent onto Galfer's labs in Spain for a full analysis, the cost of any replacement discs is not something we are considering at this stage.
We have 2 non SEAT vehicles (but running the SEAT type pad with wear indicatiors disabled) running with 1055 and 1045 pads from the same batch and have covered over 12k each with no visable signs of disc degredation. We have other SEAT customers (including my wifes SEAT) where no disc degradation has occured and we are aware of some disc problems with OE spec pads in SEAT Leon Cupra R vehicles so the problem is not obviously with the pads and doesnt seem to affect all cars.
This is why its prefferable to have pads and discs tested properly to understand where the issue is.
I have to say I am disspointed with comments made by some SEAT forum members and perhaps if they were more accurate in describing what they have been told in future, it might be more helpful.
Anyone returning pads for testing should include details such as, date purchased/fitted mileage the car has covered, mileage discs had done before replacing pads, mileage when disc damage became apparant. We also require details of the bedding in proceedure followed.
Lab analysis from Galfer will be able to determine accurately the life the pads and discs have had with regards to wear rates and heat levels attained etc.
I am sure you are all grown up enough to appreciate that while we will do what we can to assist and if there is a fault due to Galfer products supplied we will work with Galfer to resolve the situation, however if a fault lies elsewhere we will not be prepared to accept any liability.
1055 pads will be on the way soon! discs at a point when I can afford new ones! Thanks for clarifications!!!
With all due respect Matt,
We have numrous owners that do have problems and for you to simply say it is upto the owners to fund your investigation by replacing the disks is far from what I would expect from a large vehicle component producer.
The cost to the individual is somewhere around £400, which speaking personaly is a considerable sum.
However, for a manufacturer to provide say a couple of owners with disks and pads in lieu of the 'faulty' ones while you carry out investigations would at cost price be circ. £300 in total (for both vehciles not each), why not consider it as R&D cost!
Also, I am not sure if you are refering to me as someone who should be more honest/accurae, but I can assure you that what I have posted regarding you advising the fault is with the disks, which was why I have continued to use the pads etc until I could afford to replace the said disks which would be a while as you were unable to supply OE disks due to agreements with SEAT, is correct and accurate.
We have numrous owners that do have problems and for you to simply say it is upto the owners to fund your investigation by replacing the disks is far from what I would expect from a large vehicle component producer.
The cost to the individual is somewhere around £400, which speaking personaly is a considerable sum.
However, for a manufacturer to provide say a couple of owners with disks and pads in lieu of the 'faulty' ones while you carry out investigations would at cost price be circ. £300 in total (for both vehciles not each), why not consider it as R&D cost!
Also, I am not sure if you are refering to me as someone who should be more honest/accurae, but I can assure you that what I have posted regarding you advising the fault is with the disks, which was why I have continued to use the pads etc until I could afford to replace the said disks which would be a while as you were unable to supply OE disks due to agreements with SEAT, is correct and accurate.
How often do the rally cars receive new parts as part of routine service?
Is this a relevant example?
I have seen std OE pads (Galfer) score disks when they have been punished on track. Is that the pads fault? nope.
LCR's are well braked as std, but also heavy as hell, so owners may not realise how hard their brakes are actually working, and what temps their brakes are actually getting.
Competition cars brake usage is higher than majority road users, and the ongoing maintenance of these type cars is far more than road cars. Seems like reading this, that the wear rate for the same type cars, same use has excellerated since the change.
I'm not sure if this was answered in this thread elsewhere, but the OE Galfer pad material, how does this compare with the compounds mentioned & supplied?
Well our lasses car is used for ferrying my son around and shopping etc, never tracked etc.
Standard pads no probems for 2 years then within a 1000 or so miles with galfer, nice scoaring.
Galfer, accept you need to investigate this potential fault, be proactive, remember the braking system is, I am sure you will agree, is a crutial safety component and should not be taken lightly so when confronted with a potential fault supported by many accounts, investigation of the problem must be a priority.
Standard pads no probems for 2 years then within a 1000 or so miles with galfer, nice scoaring.
Galfer, accept you need to investigate this potential fault, be proactive, remember the braking system is, I am sure you will agree, is a crutial safety component and should not be taken lightly so when confronted with a potential fault supported by many accounts, investigation of the problem must be a priority.
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