the leon is a heavier car as well and i have had the civic type r and its still a cracking car and one i will always love just for the way that engine just wants you to drive it hard its just gagging for it all the time.I get to drive them at work all the time so i can compare them they are both great cars and have both got great engines but my lcr is better put together than the ctr there is a bit too much cheap plastic in the ctr but that is what makes the car lighter.I know this much there is no way my civic is as quick as my lcr and my ctr was modded with full cat back zorst and induction kit.Mods for the lcr are alot cheaper you get more bhp for your £ where as the ctr needs ££££ to get lots of power out of it such as better cams and pullys supercharger kit or turbo conversion which will put the car to around 300bhp mk or over then they are bloody quick.
LCR or CTR?
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cuprar30 said:
Totally agree my friend has a standard ctr and my mapped fr keeps up no probs, so i can only imagin a mapped LCR shouldn't have much probs Vrs a CTR
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Ben CTR said:Errrr.....NO!!!
As i've said before.. I've had both.. Had my CTR for 3 years and did over 100,000 miles in it.. I've now had my LCR for nearly a year and a half and 35,000 miles.. Plus I had them both at the same time for about a month as they overlapped. My CTR was identical to my mates Modded Integra Type R from 0-150mph TESTED! (Many times
So I think I can say I have a pretty good position to compare the two and give a good unbiased opinion.. Don't you? Or have you had more experience of the 2.. Or are you just going off 0-60 figures from somewhere.. Mind you, saying that... I've got just about every road test done on both cars (Evo, Autocar, Top Gear, Auto Express, etc etc.) And you don't need me to tell you which one has the best figures ie.. 0-100 etc..
Don't get me wrong mate.. I love my LCR to bits and have missed it like hell the last 3 weeks whilst it's been in the Bodyshop.. But I also miss my CTR too and it just annoys me sometimes, when some people think just cause Honda's have low torque figures, they are crap and will get pasted by a turbo charged car, no matter what... That's not the case, believe me!!!
You wanna see my mates ITR.. It's a 1.8 16v Engine with probably about 135lb/ft of Torque.. But I struggle to see he off properly.. And i've got more than twice the Torque...
How would a std LCR fair DOWN THE STRAIGHT (lol) against a std DC5 intergra mate...Any ideas?
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Alex
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The DC5 would win, no questions asked. Also at any speed above 70mph the DC5 is stunning and delivers more acceleration than the LCR.
When the LCR is modified you will see a reversal of the above, although round a trck the DC5 will win hands down, even against a modified LCR.
When the LCR is modified you will see a reversal of the above, although round a trck the DC5 will win hands down, even against a modified LCR.
Ben CTR said:Errrr.....
As i've said before.. I've had both.. Had my CTR for 3 years and did over 100,000 miles in it.. I've now had my LCR for nearly a year and a half and 35,000 miles.. Plus I had them both at the same time for about a month as they overlapped. My CTR was identical to my mates Modded Integra Type R from 0-150mph TESTED! (Many times
So I think I can say I have a pretty good position to compare the two and give a good unbiased opinion.. Don't you? Or have you had more experience of the 2.. Or are you just going off 0-60 figures from somewhere.. Mind you, saying that... I've got just about every road test done on both cars (Evo, Autocar, Top Gear, Auto Express, etc etc.) And you don't need me to tell you which one has the best figures ie.. 0-100 etc..
Don't get me wrong mate.. I love my LCR to bits and have missed it like hell the last 3 weeks whilst it's been in the Bodyshop.. But I also miss my CTR too and it just annoys me sometimes, when some people think just cause Honda's have low torque figures, they are crap and will get pasted by a turbo charged car, no matter what... That's not the case, believe me!!!
You wanna see my mates ITR.. It's a 1.8 16v Engine with probably about 135lb/ft of Torque.. But I struggle to see he off properly.. And i've got more than twice the Torque...
So because your CTR was a dead heat from 0-150 with your mates modded ITR this makes it better than the Leon,we're talking about real world here, people don't just buy cars to go out and do 0-60 or 0-100 or 0-150 do they on the roads which is where most people drive.
At what point did i mention i was going off 0-60 figures?stop making things up please. I also didnt say that it would get pasted by a turbocharged car.
I know all about low torque figures with my lupo mate!!!!!!!its not only Honda's that have low torque figures and rely on revs.
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Tom
Ben CTR said:
So you drove the two side by side did you??? Or did you get a mate to drive one?? He could have been a worse driver than you, which let's face it Ben, 99% of us are.
Ben CTR said:
How is it better for your job? Is it because you do a lot of motorway miles and the torque shy civic is useless unless living at the red line?!
Ben CTR said:
I think that should read unless the driver is a bell end (which is often the case)
Ben CTR said:
What has torque got to do with it Ben? You've already said that torque doesn't matter, so why mention it? Anyway, that's the point exactly above, unless you've got a shed load more power, you're not going to leave anyone for dead.
That's why I believe the LCR is the better car, and is where my money would go. It offers almost identical pace when being battered (standard), but due to it's superior torque it will actually be able to overtake, say on the motorway, without fishing for third/fourth gear to get the revs up.
@ paulr602, in the end mate test drive both and decide which one you prefer, it's your £££. You were always gonna get "LCR for me" on this site, but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things. The CTR might just do it for you. For me though, I can't see why you wouldn't go for the Leon. It's comfier, just as quick if not quicker, (unless Ben CTR is driving!), easier to live with, feels like a nicer place to be and that bit rarer.
But have you also considered the real Type-R, the DC5 Integra, instead of the Civic? It's quicker than the CTR, handles better, is a whole lot rarer, is a nicer place to be and doesn't look like a mini MPV with alloys. Also, people won't think you're a chav when you drive past in it, or get it mistaken with 1.6 Sport variant!!
Obviously because it's an import, the insurance will be a bit higher, group 20, but it will probably hold it's value that bit better due to it getting a bit of a cult following and being very rare, and also being sooo much cooler.
Wo wo wo...OvniAl said:So you drove the two side by side did you??? Or did you get a mate to drive one?? He could have been a worse driver than you, which let's face it Ben, 99% of us are.
How is it better for your job? Is it because you do a lot of motorway miles and the torque shy civic is useless unless living at the red line?!
I think that should read unless the driver is a bell end (which is often the case)
What has torque got to do with it Ben? You've already said that torque doesn't matter, so why mention it? Anyway, that's the point exactly above, unless you've got a shed load more power, you're not going to leave anyone for dead.
That's why I believe the LCR is the better car, and is where my money would go. It offers almost identical pace when being battered (standard), but due to it's superior torque it will actually be able to overtake, say on the motorway, without fishing for third/fourth gear to get the revs up.
@ paulr602, in the end mate test drive both and decide which one you prefer, it's your £££. You were always gonna get "LCR for me" on this site, but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same things. The CTR might just do it for you. For me though, I can't see why you wouldn't go for the Leon. It's comfier, just as quick if not quicker, (unless Ben CTR is driving!), easier to live with, feels like a nicer place to be and that bit rarer.
But have you also considered the real Type-R, the DC5 Integra, instead of the Civic? It's quicker than the CTR, handles better, is a whole lot rarer, is a nicer place to be and doesn't look like a mini MPV with alloys. Also, people won't think you're a chav when you drive past in it, or get it mistaken with 1.6 Sport variant!!
I'm not for one minute saying i'm some god at driving.. The tests we have done were side by side beep tests, same as this... (with both drivers swapping cars to compare)
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/clio+v6/0/15A0FBF8-D302-4AF9-9089-5E60762E4C3D.htm
This is the mentioned ITR (DC2) against my other mates Clio V6 255.. (Before everyone mentions about the plate on the Clio and the RS, they've long been sold)... My CTR in the same test ended being exactly the same outcome.. But with the LCR in standard mode, it started to slip back once over a 100mph.. (Not with Revo though
LOL)..Day to day driving and 'In gear' performance the LCR has it licked due to it being Turbo charged obviously.. But in a balls out drag race it's totaly different..
End of the day some people prefer Turbo power delivery, some prefer NA power.. I like both...
Hence the reason I love both cars..
I mentioned the ITR, because it was a good benchmark to compare my LCR against, as it was scarily indentical to my CTR.. That's the reason mate!!!GTi T said:
And I wasn't refering to you on the Torque thing.. I read it everywhere and too many people have blinkers on regarding it that's all...
OvniAl said:
ovni......too much choice nowadays, if everything came only in black then things would be so much easier. Im edging to the LCR, as much for the rarity than anything, its just when you spend so much money you dont want to make a mistake and end up feeling like you went for the wrong option......Im thinking if I go for the CTR then I may regret it, lack of quality inside (EXCEPT SEATS) puts me off a little.
anyway, still looking for an LCR near me to have a go in!
As regards quality in the CTR cabin mate.. I (as said before) did 103,000 miles in mine, without any creeks rattles or squeeks.. The seats held up very well and was well put together in general to be fair.. The LCR again is also very good and touch wood, going the same way...paulr602 said:
Ben, im looking for Luna Silver (I think its called that)......but saw a thread mentioned used track cars.....love the look of red and have not had a red car for years which had a bonnet which turned pink. I'm scared of buying red incase the paint dulls like lots of red cars do.
RickC said:
rick, i've tested the CTR. Fast but I didnt think it felt as fast as i thought it would.
My dad had a 200sx for 11 yrs and that felt really fast to me and yet was 0-60 in about 7.2.....maybe it was the turbo lag and the way it suddenly picked up and shot off.
CTR, felt like it was all over the road when accelerating hard, very light, was on bumpy roads, but felt like I wasnt totally in control.
Although I liked it, the salesman took me for a spin 1 mile up the road and floored it too the readline in a few gears........seemed a bit rediculous having to push that hard to access the real power, although I did feel it had decent power lower down and would be ok around town.
Havent driven an LCR but have a feeling I will in the next week, localish dealer has a 54 plate with 15K for £13,399....sounds like a good price to me! just need to go and see it.
Only dulls if not looked after mate.. ie Not polished or cleaned on a regular basis..paulr602 said:
I dont own a LCR (yet) or a CTR but my mates do
All I can say is I dont rally around all the time, so comfort on a normal drive (when the mrs is in the passenger seat!) is important to me
I liked the CTR over 6000rpm when the 2nd band of power kicked in, a very aggressive car when you get the rev's up, but it was soooo flippin bumpy, such a hard ride, gave me a head ache when we went to swansea for the day (from Cardiff)
Its a car that needs to be driven full pelt everywhere.
You need to weigh up whats important to you, if you dont care about bone rattle then CTR is cool, but if you want a bit of comfort when you are cruising then go for the LCR.
also, on a motorway drive the LCR is very quite in the cockpit at high speeds unlike the CTR.
Thats what swung it for me anyway, but like someone said already, its horses for courses.
They are both great cars.
Some important questions you need to ask yourself:
How important is comfort to you?
How often are you going to boot the car?
Are 5 doors important to you? do you have kids?
do you do a lot of miles?
do you do many motorway miles?
do you have a mrs that hates fast driving? or gets car sick?
I know all these questions point towards getting a LCR, but they are questions i had to ask myself, your needs will be different i'm sure
Also you need to look into depreciation and figure out how long you are going to keep the car for.
weigh up the pros and cons of each on paper and see which one comes out the best.
Let us know what you decide though!!
All I can say is I dont rally around all the time, so comfort on a normal drive (when the mrs is in the passenger seat!) is important to me
I liked the CTR over 6000rpm when the 2nd band of power kicked in, a very aggressive car when you get the rev's up, but it was soooo flippin bumpy, such a hard ride, gave me a head ache when we went to swansea for the day (from Cardiff)
Its a car that needs to be driven full pelt everywhere.
You need to weigh up whats important to you, if you dont care about bone rattle then CTR is cool, but if you want a bit of comfort when you are cruising then go for the LCR.
also, on a motorway drive the LCR is very quite in the cockpit at high speeds unlike the CTR.
Thats what swung it for me anyway, but like someone said already, its horses for courses.
They are both great cars.
Some important questions you need to ask yourself:
How important is comfort to you?
How often are you going to boot the car?
Are 5 doors important to you? do you have kids?
do you do a lot of miles?
do you do many motorway miles?
do you have a mrs that hates fast driving? or gets car sick?
I know all these questions point towards getting a LCR, but they are questions i had to ask myself, your needs will be different i'm sure
Also you need to look into depreciation and figure out how long you are going to keep the car for.
weigh up the pros and cons of each on paper and see which one comes out the best.
Let us know what you decide though!!
paulr602 said:
well i would deffo go and try it out for yourself, i was dead hooked on getting a type r, i was going to import it from holland, my dad had just bought back a accord from over there at much much less than here, anyway i was about to get the final bits sorted ready to go over to get my new ctr when we took the girlfriends old beeza in for a service when i saw the lcr, i was a bit of a badge prude and didnt really know of the tuning potential of the 1.8 t engine but thought 210 was more than enough then, so we went out for a spin that day and i was sold instantly, so smooth to drive and doesnt feel like your doing the speed it says,all the cool gadgetsand extras, anyway i bought one that day
the folding mirrors closed the deal lol , picked it up on my 20th birthday and havnt looked back since.take one out and see if u like it. you cant decide by reading all these replys.
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