MK2 Ibiza GTi Cupra Sport (2.0L) head / engine rebuilt parts?

[psi999]

Hi guys, Its been a long time since i've been on here (i actually cant remember my old username its been so long). I did have a 99 GTi cupra sport and sold it for a BMW, i regreted this from the day it left.

But cutting to my question,

Ive been offered a 99 Ibiza GTi Cupra Sport for a very good price, catch is the cam belt has snapped and i'm sure the head is r00ted and perhaps the bottom end (pistons).

Question is, whats a head (with valves or complete with cams) worth 2nd hand (as these parts down here in Australia are non existant).... and a top end rebuild gasket kit.... even bottom end parts?

Anywere i can find a workshop manual?

Cheers guys, anywhere i can look for any decent 2nd hand parts would be fantastic.

I just cant wait to get back into a SEAT (so i can chop all these local 8 valvers )

Cheers,

Jon
MY99 Subaru Impreza WRX
N12 Pulsar, GTiR SR20DET conversion

 

[45SET]

damn you....

umm... there is a place at geebung called German Auto's (1/2 20 Fortune Street, GEEBUNG, QLD, 4034) that deal with Audi/VW's. that is where i get my "8v" serviced at. they have been able to get parts for my car quick smart and are real good..... the other option is to go talk to uumm.... a spare parts place... the name is..... (after looking in my wallet... and then having to look on yellowpages.com) Imparts Automotive (Fact 18/ 300 Cullen Ave Eagle Farm)

uumm... another option is to put a VR6 engine into it... (as the Cupra uses the same gear box . you like doing your own FWD engine transplants )

or send a PM to H8SV8S as he built a quad throttle body Cupra... (which now lives up at morayfeild)..... he lived in Tas, so yeah, parts should be easy for you to get.

hope this helps you out a bit

P.S. i still want a ride in the ET

 

[cordobabrendy]

jon a mark2 golf kr head will go straight on and give you slightly more torque lower down and the option to get it gas flowed while its off will make another handful of geegees available and itll rev like a beastie.
my head went on my old 16v and couldnt source any other abf heads, so found out what else would fit, kr is the best of the bunch and can be picked up from 1-200 quid for a standard one. 2nd hand....

 

[psi999]

Thanks for the contacts 45SET, i will be following up on them if i proceed witn the purchase (which at this stage is around 80% confirmed provided the rest of the car is still clean). I have read (ages ago) about the VR6 conversion, are these motors hard to come by down this way?.

jon a mark2 golf kr head will go straight on and give you slightly more torque lower down and the option to get it gas flowed while its off will make another handful of geegees available and itll rev like a beastie.
my head went on my old 16v and couldnt source any other abf heads, so found out what else would fit, kr is the best of the bunch and can be picked up from 1-200 quid for a standard one. 2nd hand....

Thanks for your post, will this head bolt up to the 99 cupra sport intake manifold / exhaust manifold?... if so this could be the go. Are these parts hard to source out of the UK, as i would probably organise to have one sent over to Australia (2nd hand is fine). If i left it stock would the kr head limit top end power (as it seems its more suited to low end power?)... that said i would probably get it ported out.

Do you know if the camshafts are the same profile as the Seat version?

so when you say 1-200 quit, would that be for a complete head with valves and cams etc?.

Whats a total good running engine worth, could just drop that in and bolt up the seat intake / exhaust manifold?.

And lastly, whats this abf i keep reading about, is that the model of the Seat version of the Golf GTi motor?

cheers for your replies!.

Jon

 

[cordobabrendy]

head lines up 100% , the kr (mk2 golf 1.8 16v) inlet ports are narrower than the abf(tall block) so this does give a lower peak rev but as i said they can be flowed to give better performance over the bigger abf head.
100-200 pounds for the complete head yea. a full running motor would fetch as much as 500 pounds i suppose, modified proven ones, even more id guess.
the abf came in the mark3 golf, seat ibiza, seat cordoba and seat toledo from similar years (96-99, the golf maybe a little earlier)
the graph below is from the abf head etc running mostly stock kit (better backbox and induction kit, nothing major)
the kr headed abf moves everything 1000 rpm earlier, gives a couple lb/f more torque and bhp was only down 1.5 bhp, though this could have been a difference in fuel)

 

[psi999]

head lines up 100% , the kr (mk2 golf 1.8 16v) inlet ports are narrower than the abf(tall block) so this does give a lower peak rev but as i said they can be flowed to give better performance over the bigger abf head.
100-200 pounds for the complete head yea. a full running motor would fetch as much as 500 pounds i suppose, modified proven ones, even more id guess.
the abf came in the mark3 golf, seat ibiza, seat cordoba and seat toledo from similar years (96-99, the golf maybe a little earlier)
the graph below is from the abf head etc running mostly stock kit (better backbox and induction kit, nothing major)
the kr headed abf moves everything 1000 rpm earlier, gives a couple lb/f more torque and bhp was only down 1.5 bhp, though this could have been a difference in fuel)

Sorry to pick your brain, but ive got a few more questions

So the big ass Seat intake manifold will bolt up to the kr head, are the ports much smaller where the head meets intake the manifold?..... will it need to be match ported?

So i take it the MK3 golf GTi head (or seat) are hard to find on the 2nd hand market?.

Are the kr valves the same size as the abf?

So that graph is a stock abf headed 2.0L engine, but your saying a kr headed engine will only make a few hp less in peak HP but bags more low end torque?

Thanks for your reply, much appreciated!!!

Edit - found this on e-bay, this is the head you talk of? E-bay link
Jon

 

[cordobabrendy]

manifold will bolt straight on, ports are smaller, noticeably smaller, i ran mine without flowing though as i said it will help release a few more horsies and it doesnt need to be matched as i found out via the rolling road (if its similar to stock performance youre after) kr valves are very slightly different, the abf ones are longer than the kr valves by a fraction, longer at the thin end and protrudes a little which could cause problems, they both cost the same anyway and are easy to get hold of.
the kr head lost around 1.5 brake but again as i said it could have been just the difference in petrol used on the day, 1.5 brake is negligable, the power delivery is a lot earlier in coming in but doesnt like to be revved right round to 6.8-7k rpm as happily probably due to the more restrictive inlets.
mark3 golfs arnt impossible to find but can be expensive for what they are.

edit: yea thats the engine...

 

[psi999]

manifold will bolt straight on, ports are smaller, noticeably smaller, i ran mine without flowing though as i said it will help release a few more horsies and it doesnt need to be matched as i found out via the rolling road (if its similar to stock performance youre after) kr valves are very slightly different, the abf ones are longer than the kr valves by a fraction, longer at the thin end and protrudes a little which could cause problems, they both cost the same anyway and are easy to get hold of.
the kr head lost around 1.5 brake but again as i said it could have been just the difference in petrol used on the day, 1.5 brake is negligable, the power delivery is a lot earlier in coming in but doesnt like to be revved right round to 6.8-7k rpm as happily probably due to the more restrictive inlets.
mark3 golfs arnt impossible to find but can be expensive for what they are.

edit: yea thats the engine...

Cheers thanks for that

So your saying it would be best to drop abf valves into the kr head?.

I'm wondering if the cams are similar between the heads, which could also explain the power shifting to lower RPM's.

Cheers again

Jon

 

[cordobabrendy]

cams are different, stick with kr cams in a kr head. dont swap the valves neither they are physically slightly different, some people have ran 16v's with a kr exhaust cam and an abf intake on their abf motors, im not sure if its a worthwhile change when porting a kr would give better gains.

 

[psi999]

Sounds like porting the kr is the best plan of attack, what sort of gains over stock would you suspect would be possible? (what's a stock abf, 150hp?)

Also what sort of changes can be made to the ECU, is there any typre of generic Chip thats worthwhile?... or something like a APS/Dastek Unichip for real world rolling road tuning. Or is the stock ECU quite good (and will learn the cars mods).

Not after huge gains, my other fwd car has approx 350hp (run in tune) and weigh's 900kgs, so the Seat would pretty much be a bang for buck car

cheers again, Your help has been invaluable!

Jon

 

[cordobabrendy]

a standard abf is around 155 (quoted 150 by manuf.)
a 2.0 16v with a ported head should have a handful more but its more in the way it comes on, side by side the kr should accelerate slightly quicker in the rev range still.
edit: ecu is fine as standard, youre not putting in lairy cams or changing injectors so dastek etc would be overkill.
bill would be the man to speak to about management, ive never touched on that with my old 16v, head (aches.. haha geddit??) workarounds and research via the web and vw mates is as far as i got.
if you do go for a kr head, just be careful what gaskets you use, dont take them out of the wrapper until youre sure its the right one, from memory they are all abf ones except the rocker gasket.... not 100% sure as it was a couple of years ago now.

 

[psi999]

Sorry to bring this topic back from the dead, but i've now purchased my old Seat back (yay) and am in the process of tracking down a complete KR head & rocker cover..... can any of you blokes help me out, or point me in the right direction?.

Thanks guys!.

Jon

 

[Red Ibiza VR6]

Are you in Australia? I`m in Sydney and have several KR motors, or just a head and rocker cover to suit your motor. Call me on 02 4655 1182, 0423 051737. Cheers Matt

 

[Red Ibiza VR6]

By the way, the VR6 gearbox is different Guys. You may be able to swop the bellhousing, but its not a straight swop.