Not running right after dpf removal and remap

[Marshall]

The tuners in question in the topic I posted, and also the ones who did my car, HAVE done tons of these cars in VW, SEAT, Audi and Skoda guise...but they still managed to knack up Marshall's car big time with a crap map. So...go for a reputable big name. Proper big name. Sedox apparently wasn't big enough of a name


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This totally sums the job up.
These tuners in question who have done loads have usually done one or two.
In my case it took me about 2 months to start doubting my software.
After another visit and another map my car seemed to make all sorts of noises and drove terrible.
As usual the tuner Sedox performance blamed the car saying its a hardware problem and not a software problem.
After a battery reset the car behaved different again.
In the end after hours of research and testing I went to Revo.
They flashed the car stock which solved my problems then flashed stage 1 and the difference is huge.
Normally I'd say buy cheap buy twice but I paid £383 at Sedox performance and have now had to pay £399 for Revo to sort my car.
Not much price difference but a huge difference in the car.
Sedox will not give me a refund so I hope they never tune another car again.

 

[shnazzle]

Up to us to ensure that the word spreads and that nobody from our community at least suffers the same fate you did.

383 quid is a lot of money to waste for anybody.
I consider myself to be very lucky that I'm not having problems, but at this point I'd much rather have Revo just to prove a point. And I have no doubt my car would run even better on Revo.

 

[Marshall]

I messaged Dave at Sedox regarding some kind of refund since his software has caused me all these problems and time and money.
I wasted a full day checking for boost leaks and replacing o-rings etc because they said it was a problem with my car.
Since I've lost my money and with no sign of a refund then its only fair people know the true and what they're dealing with.

 

[shnazzle]

Exactly.
Also worth noting that a forum mate from the MR2 Roadster owners club also went to Sedox for a dyno run, and was greatly unimpressed by the service. Stated they wanted exhaust temperature readings on his massively turbo'd up MR2. they did the run, no temp readings. Wouldn't do it again for free and no refund.
Totally wasted cash as the HP/torque figures were of little value to him in diagnosing his problems.
He won't be going back either.

 

[Marshall]

I personally think their dyno figures are plucked out of the sky.
Revo claim 210bhp and Sedox claimed 210bhp and there's about a 40% increase in power with the Revo software.

 

[shnazzle]

Darth Revan also experienced this. Figures well below what they were actually when he took it to a calibrated dyno.

Havign said that...I can't imagine my car being 40% down on power :S It'd tear the gearbox apart!
Hence I'd love to do a compare

 

[Marshall]

I don't suppose every car will make less power but for any that doesn't make advertised I'm sure there's some way that they get round this.

Revo say a stage 2 dpf delete on a cr170 is a clutch killer!! Manual car of course.

Sedox offered me Revo software on Tuesday at 40% discount which I declined.
After doing some digging and contacting Revo HQ it seems sedox performance or PD tuning are NOT Revo authorised dealers!!!
They still have the equipment as PDtuning used to be Revo. Something g very fishy there.
Would I have got an old software version of someone else revo map????? You tell me

 

[Jarre]

I believe REVO have been in contact with SEDOX about them being authorised dealers, but APR, understandably, don't want them providing both. That's what I've heard anyway...

When my 1.2tsi went on at SEDOX it got 123bhp with winter tyres on. At awesome GTI with summer tyres it got 129bhp.

 

[Marshall]

Sedox neither do APR or Revo?
Although sedox have the sign up saying Revo authorised dealer they are not on Revo dealer list.
This is why I rang Revo to confirm.

 

[Jarre]

I may have heard wrong then, something about apr and revo both being in touch with Sedox anyway!

 

[shnazzle]

In any case I believe ( anecdotal evidence) that Dave is no longer favourable in the Revo circles after his past escapades with fakin' the funk and saying a map was revo when it wasn't.

...which is why Mark is down as the garage manager...

I'm not convinced Sedox are a Revo dealer at all either.

As for stg2 dpf delete being a clutch killer... absolutely!
My only saving grace is that I have DSG. Otherwise I'd have gotten an uprated clutch.
I still take it easy as well. Never floor it under 2-2.5k revs

Although I have been naughty and done 2 launch control launches.... lovely

To be fair. I couldn't give a shiny shat if my map was Revo, APR, Sedox, Bob's Own Make....as long as it's a good map.
I would love to know what map was put on Marshall's, because it's clearly very different from mine. You'd think that he'd go with what works.

 

[gh.fr]

Ok, Marshall, Shnazzle, I had my cr170 mapped to stage 1 about a month ago by Sedox, now after reading your comments I'm feeling pretty paranoid about my car. I took it there as at the time there were some positive comments about them and I liked the idea of the before and after dyno runs.
The car seems to be running ok and pulls well, it initially had a flat spot @4k in 4th gear which disappeared after a few runs up and down a local bypass, even so I'm wishing I'd gone to Revo now, their graphs do look better than what I ended up with.
Marshall, was your map bad form the start or did things go bad over time? And did your ecu have to come out again for Revo to map it?

 

[shnazzle]

Ok, Marshall, Shnazzle, I had my cr170 mapped to stage 1 about a month ago by Sedox, now after reading your comments I'm feeling pretty paranoid about my car. I took it there as at the time there were some positive comments about them and I liked the idea of the before and after dyno runs.
The car seems to be running ok and pulls well, it initially had a flat spot @4k in 4th gear which disappeared after a few runs up and down a local bypass, even so I'm wishing I'd gone to Revo now, their graphs do look better than what I ended up with.
Marshall, was your map bad form the start or did things go bad over time? And did your ecu have to come out again for Revo to map it?

I had that same flat spot at 4k, but had to get it mapped out by Dave. Not sure how it can disappear.
You could be lucky as well mate, like me, and just have a decent map. Sedox do have a lot of happy customers.
But it seems they are specialising in BMWs now, as Dave is on his second one and there's always one in the garage.

The Revo dyno map does look very nice, but mine doesn't look too bad either. I'm quite pleased.

Marshall had to get his ECU out again when revo'd. But I think that's because they flashed it back to stock first, in which case the lock would be back on.

Sedox, from what I can tell, leaves the ECU unlocked. So in theory you could just get it reflashed with Revo.


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[Matthew FR]

Sounds a bit dodgy!
With DPF removal done properly you should be getting 215bhp, I'd be asking for my money back & getting it done from a reputable tuner!

 

[Marshall]

Ok, Marshall, Shnazzle, I had my cr170 mapped to stage 1 about a month ago by Sedox, now after reading your comments I'm feeling pretty paranoid about my car. I took it there as at the time there were some positive comments about them and I liked the idea of the before and after dyno runs.
The car seems to be running ok and pulls well, it initially had a flat spot @4k in 4th gear which disappeared after a few runs up and down a local bypass, even so I'm wishing I'd gone to Revo now, their graphs do look better than what I ended up with.
Marshall, was your map bad form the start or did things go bad over time? And did your ecu have to come out again for Revo to map it?

My original map felt alright apart from I noticed my engine noise was a much deeper note and sounded harsh.
The car drove fine but compared to what I have now the map done very little above 3300 rpm
I never experienced any fault codes or problems on the original map just noise and the fact that there was no way it was 210bhp!
My problems started when I returned to them complaining about noise. It all went downhill from there.
If the car feels ok and your happy with the sound then don't worry.
As above some people have had what they believe to be good maps and had no problems.
The problem comes when you have a problem.
As Shnazzle said Revo flashed the car to stock which the locked the ecu which is why it had to be removed again.
Anyone going from someone else's remap to Revo should be flashed to stock first.
They do this to stop any corruption to their file and so nothing happens to their software from the previous crap in my case that was on before.

 

[shnazzle]

Sounds a bit dodgy!
With DPF removal done properly you should be getting 215bhp, I'd be asking for my money back & getting it done from a reputable tuner!

210-220. I'm at the low end because I asked them to tone it down a bit for a bit less smoke.

There are stage1 cars on here with 210 and 330ish lb/ft. And stage2 cars with less than 210 and 320ish...
Totally depends doesn't it; what the definition of a stage is.

Regardless...yes the Revo map (as advertised) does pull out more power with low smoke levels.
Hence why I am gutted and wish I went for Revo.

I'd go Revo if I could do it again. And very well might do it again.


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[Peter 87]

Would never recommend them they have changed name to many times ( v-sport, pd tuning etc) thats not a good sign to me. Av heard too many bad stories selling revo maps also for someone who had a pd170 engine? turned out it was one of their custom maps!!! 1 of my mates rates them he's got a fiesta st cammed nd mapped by them got another who has a insignia mapped by them nd it's going through sensors like nothing else.

 

[shnazzle]

Conclusion:

No map + cash = Revo...NOT sedox.
Current sedox map + no more cash + no problems = keep map
Current sedox map + free cash + no problems = change to Revo
Current sedox map + free cash/no cash + problems = change to Revo map and borrow cash if necessary


As a side note... just looked at the stg2 revo curve as advertised and it does seem like a hell of a clutch killer. 470nm peak torque at 2400?...eek. Lovely if you've got an uprated clutch. I'd be fearing for my DSG though.
Also, they claim 221, but with DPF bypass pipe and full open exhaust. Difference between gutting DPF and smooth replacement pipe is 2-3hp, and then another 5hp or so from the fully unrestricted Milltek turbo back exhaust.
from what I've read all over the place, anything over 215hp just pisses out smoke. No good for me.

 

[GlanzaV]

Sorry to hi-jack this thread... but:

I fancy getting a DPF delete at some point, but I really don't want the car to be smokey (think it makes the car look like a banger... regardless of how fast it is!). Do all DPF delete maps cause smoke? Is the REVO one mentioned above the least smokey?

Thanks and sorry for the hassle these cowboys seem to have caused!

 

[Danfr550]

I still havnt managed to hear back from the guy that mapped it so I guess I've been ripped off. The problem hasn't gotten any better and my mates audi a3 that's a remapped pd140 could feels just as powerful as mine, so I'm sure there's an issue. I've spoke to darkside development and they want £480 to get it sorted, and rang revo and they told me to go somewhere called autotechnica but when I spoke to them they don't even have software for the pd170. Is there anywhere else to try or is darkside the best place to go? Cheers