Pro Alloy or Forge FMIC for your Leon?

[HarveyGTI]

happened to be looking on the jkm motoring website and came across these two intercoolers:

Forge FMIC - £733.95

OR

Pro Alloy - £675.00

Both well known makes. The Pro Alloy one looks taller, but also looks thinner than the Forge one

advantage is of course the Pro Alloy one is single pass, so less of a pressure drop

any views on this at all?

 

[cordobabrendy]

the bottom one isnt an lc cooler mate (lc has both pipes on driverside) you would need to see the lc verion to compare dimensions, another thing is the actual pipes on that pro alloy one look to have a small circumference compared to the forge version . (saying that I cant see it being a huge difference)

 

[HarveyGTI]

the bottom one isnt an lc cooler mate (lc has both pipes on driverside) you would need to see the lc verion to compare dimensions, another thing is the actual pipes on that pro alloy one look to have a small circumference compared to the forge version . (saying that I cant see it being a huge difference)

yeah thats what i thought, but the headlights and bonnet look very similar to an LC, you sure?

although thats the pic i took directly off the jkm site which was advertising the pic as a Leon Cupra, so presumed it was really

dam, thought i had found a single pass FMIC for the LC

 

[cordobabrendy]

Could still fit an lc but the pipework wold be uber long and useless as the ipe on the right would need to double back and run behind the fmic which would foul pretty much every moving part located there, belts and all.
My forge for comparison.

 

[HarveyGTI]

ok cool, thanks Brendy

 

[HarveyGTI]

although did a quick search and this is a cheaper alternative, but of course this is not tried and tested....you get what you pay for

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Large-Interco...ryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[Icecavern]

Personally I'd go with the forge one. I have my doubts that the Pro Alloy will actually be that efficient as half of it never receives any air flow...

 

[JKM]

Hi Guys,

Sorry for any confusion as a result of our website, I updated that page following the information (wording etc) on this page: http://www.proalloy.co.uk/cgi-bin/sitewise.pl?act=det&pt=52_62_634&p=633&id=proalloy

I am a bit tied up this morning, but a quick Email to Pro Alloy would clarify if there intercooler is a single pass or not.

Kind Regards

Keith

 

[RobDon]

Yes the bottom one IS an LC intercooler, looks like an unfinished development version. PA one has 60mm pipework, not a restriction at all, larger diameter pipework promotes lag. Larger single-pass Vs smaller but thicker twin-pass, Forge only rate theirs to maybe 300hp max., PA say theirs is 400+hp ... Songman's 360bhp IHI LCR runs the PA one!

PA is single-pass so the entire intercooler cools the charge down, the Forge only receives airflow on one half too and is twin-pass, so would be less efficient.

 

[cordobabrendy]

pipework must be a pain though rob unless the whole airways have been rejigged?
Id go so far to say that 400bhp is a pipe dream for most folk on here, 300 would certainly be enough for most. (maybe im a little biased though! )

 

[RobDon]

All new pipework right from the turbo.

I'm a huge fan of Forge - just putting all the facts out there for all to see.

There is a GB on the Pro Alloy kit right now, save £200 off the normal price!

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122034

 

[ForgeMotorsport]

very little pressure drop is seen on this intercooler ..

 

[HarveyGTI]

Brendy as you said if it was a single pass, it would foul all the pipework/gubbings in the engine bay...but how have PA managed to make a single pass then?

just curious as of course, too long a pipework would cause a much further pressure drop than the forge kit...but somehow PA have managed to do it

 

[kez]

very little pressure drop is seen on this intercooler ..

which one? yours, or the pro alloy one?

i still think you should do a group buy for your one

 

[ForgeMotorsport]

All ou intercoolers are tested with the performance information on our web site for all to see

 

[probee]

so far i havent seen any info on the performance of the PA so i have nothing to go on. The forge intercooler is tried and tested with the results on show... I have been thinking about buying a FMIC for a while now but i am struggling to make a decision as to which on to go for with the info i have at the minute..

TBH i think if the Forge intercooler was a bit cheaper, there would be no contest for me and i would probably already have one sat on the front of my LCR

 

[RobDon]

There are results of the PA on these very forums!!!

IHI Stage 3 logged max temps of 38-39 degrees C at 22-23psi of boost.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=96595

Forge would most likely be much the same though as they are very good intercoolers, safe bet with either company.

 

[HarveyGTI]

so far i havent seen any info on the performance of the PA so i have nothing to go on. The forge intercooler is tried and tested with the results on show... I have been thinking about buying a FMIC for a while now but i am struggling to make a decision as to which on to go for with the info i have at the minute..

TBH i think if the Forge intercooler was a bit cheaper, there would be no contest for me and i would probably already have one sat on the front of my LCR

thats only my query that nothing is on "paper" as of yet for the results to the PA kit, but the proof is in the pudding, and as the IHI or BT boys run the PA kit, then that says alot I think, they have no issues and the PA kit works very well for the high powered setups

thing is for a mildly tuned K03S - DP, exhaust etc, is the PA kit overkill?

EDIT: Just seen robdons post, nice results

 

[probee]

i agree that if youre going IHI then you should definately get the PA but... with a standard or stage 1 LCR or LC i think i would go for the Forge..

 

[RobDon]

If Forge offered their LC and LCR kits for £200 less then I'm sure everyone would be all over them, I mean if PA can sell them for £594 inc.VAT and delivery for 10+ kits then Forge can too!!!

I believe Forge are working on a new intercooler kit just now.