What a load of boll**ks

[chillcupra]

What is this guy on about. Hes saying that the 210 engine is stronger than the 210 engine in cupra r. Have a look for ya selves:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2003-SEAT-LEO...7QQihZ018QQcategoryZ18270QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[owen lcr]

i can only agree with your heading!!!

 

[warren_cox]

Isn't that trade descriptions act type talk. Bending the truth to serve your needs. Because of course SEAT/Audi would have evolved the 225 knowing it was inherantly unreliable. People are idiots.

 

[Ruddmeister]

Wasn't there a rumour the 210 had smilar rods but bigger gudgeon pins 20mm insread of 19mm.......was a long time agio can;t remember exactly....infact I may be as wrong as he is LOL. I think his one ounce of truth has been taken and spread very thinly, plus he's added a side order of BS in his description

 

[RobM]

I've read a few comments about the 210 being a stronger engine, but only one one or two parts. He has obviously read one tiny comment on the internet and blown it up out of all proportion!

 

[si-mate]

I've heard that the 210 engine "has stronger internals" than the 225. Quite where the origin of this started or how much truth there is in it remains to be seen. I would imagine that even if there were any truth in it the difference would be minute and not really anything to bother with.
Can't say many would agree that the 210 is the one to have unless you are on a budget as with the 225 you get the tracker, a nicer steering wheel and a newer car (obviously).

 

[TimBarratt]

I think he is sort of right, i do remember reading somewhere that the 210 had thicker Con rods than the 225, but apart from that i thought they were the same.

 

[si-mate]

He would find it hard to confirm that the 210 can be tuned higher than the 225 as far as I can see. Certainly REVO give the same power and torque figures for both engines.

 

[RobM]

Surely being 99% the same engine and having the same turbo, they are both going to chip to the same sort of levels anyway?

 

[si-mate]

You would think so. Presumably the extra ~15bhp comes from a different map?

 

[CupraJay]

As far as im aware...con-rods..and gudgeon pins are thickers, heard something down the grapevine about stronger valves...but that could be bollox. As far as im aware, the engines are the same...and can be tuned the same, just the 210 LCR will take a little bit more punishment.

 

[Vicky M]

IIRC, there was a road test done by a motring magazine between the LC180 and LCR210 which said basically the 180 was the one to have, better ride, just as responsive and not really worth the extra ££ to get 30BHP
this we pre-suppose that the 225 would be a viable option, being 45bhp more than the standard LC?????

Stu

 

[Feel]

There's been a rumour for a while that the 210's have 20mm gudgeon pins and the 225's have 19mm.

I think someone said that Jabba had commented on it.

A few people have looked on the parts database and the AMK and BAM engines are listed as having the same rods, pins etc and both appear to be 19mm.

I did have look to see if the earlier nDBW S3 210 engine (APY?) had the same rods, to see if that's where the rumour started - but I can remember what I found

 

[Ruddmeister]

Perhaps he had a stage 1 ~ 300bhp CUSTOM remap

They are at least 15bhp better than GENERIC remaps, everyone knows that.......just like everone knows the 210LCR is the 'better' engine

 

[warren_cox]

with the tolerances built into most german engines it would only be valid that one was particularly stronger than the other if you were pushing the performance limits that you would be likely to exploit the failures (like running 24+ psi of boost).

With both in stock mode it shouldn't be noticeable. Could they have chosen to use a stronger material in the 19mm pins rather than the 20mm's. Just a thought, but to reduce the pins seems a strange choice knowing they were going to put an extra 15bhp through the 225 car.

 

[Feel]

As far as im aware...con-rods..and gudgeon pins are thickers, heard something down the grapevine about stronger valves...but that could be bollox. As far as im aware, the engines are the same...and can be tuned the same, just the 210 LCR will take a little bit more punishment.

How can the engines be the same, but different

I think the bottom end is exactly the same, I'd understood the difference was that the 210 was has mechanical actuation on the VVT and the 225 was hydraulic.

Oh and I think they have slightly different compression ratios.

 

[Feel]

with the tolerances built into most german engines it would only be valid that one was particularly stronger than the other if you were pushing the performance limits that you would be likely to exploit the failures (like running 24+ psi of boost).

With both in stock mode it shouldn't be noticeable. Could they have chosen to use a stronger material in the 19mm pins rather than the 20mm's. Just a thought, but to reduce the pins seems a strange choice knowing they were going to put an extra 15bhp through the 225 car.

I'd agree with the first statement, but on the second one - they are listed as having the same rods, pistons and gudgeon pins in the parts database.

 

[Ruddmeister]

How can the engines be the same, but different

I think the bottom end is exactly the same, I'd understood the difference was that the 210 was has mechanical actuation on the VVT and the 225 was hydraulic.

Oh and I think they have slightly different compression ratios.

Phil

Don't forget they have different wheel bearings and a different actuator too

 

[Ruddmeister]

The guy placing the advert forgot to add

"the 210LCR for sale will be slower than most other LCR's as it's an early version with square mirrors, these cause extra drag and as a result you will need 15bhp more to beat you mate in his 225LCR"

 

[Feel]

Phil

Don't forget they have different wheel bearings and a different actuator too

And stone guards (extra weight and aerodynamic drag ) and the 210s have retractable parcel shelf strings. I think it's time to do a proper sticky on the differences before we all forget...