What a load of boll**ks

[peter staples]

the ad says that the 210 chips up better than the 225 and the info i got said that, if its wrong than so be it .it does not say in the ad that it chips up higher than the 225 . i was told all the info by someone on this site some time ago, that the 225 chips up to 269bhp and the 210 chips up to 265 thus making the 210 better for chipin i. if anyone can tell me other wise please do cos im getting slated for passing on info that was given to me from this site ,

 

[Feel]

Peter, it was just the rods that were reportedly stronger, pistons are the same and good for power levels of 500bhp+

Feel, I'll try and explain what i meant

The part numbers for both 210/225 conrods are the same, but that doesnt neccessarly mean that they are the same! I suggested the 225 BAM rods may have superceeded the 210 AMK rods. Perhaps the company that supplied SEAT with rods had a new batch, had them redesigned due to costs? Maybe the new batch was made to a different tolerance?

Why did they change the pistons and rods from the original 150bhp engine? Surely they could have just used the stock/supply that they already had from the 150bhp engines? It was probably down to cost that they redesigned the internals. The 210 perhaps used the left over parts from the 150bhp engines and when they ran out they then got a whole new batch of cheaper BAM internals?

I dont know buddy but i dont know where this myth has come from either?

In not saying that the 210 engine is definitely stronger, i merely stated that the myth about them has been going around a while! Who made it up, where did it come from?

I have been testing the 210 AMK for 18mths now at quite high power and extremely high torque levels without failure so far, touch wood! I may in the future change the rods to allow me to fit 100bhp nitrous jetting along with the hybrid so hopefully ill be able to put this myth to bed when and if i decide to take the car that far

That's was my point - anyone with an engineering background will tell you that it's very,very unlikely that a physically different part has the same part number.

I don't REALLY know how seat do their part numbering, TBH, but how would SEAT's inventory systems cope, how would the part manufacturer know what to make, how would the dealer know what to order if there were two different parts knocking about that had the same part number? Daz or someone might know

While the upper power limit these engines are know to be able to take without internal mods has increased as knowledge has got better, nobody has ever quoted engine codes when they've quoted upper limits.

I've never looked inside one though...

TBH Mitch, the first person I remember saying that he'd said, she'd said, Jabba had said the rods were stonger... was you And I'm not saying you didn't hear it, just pointing out that the part numbers are the same

Please don't take this as me having a go, I just like my forums based on fact (and I like discussing sad nerdy stuff ).

If the facts are proved to be wrong, fine.

 

[si-mate]

I'm not being funny, but how is higher not better? How can 265bhp be better than 269 bhp

 

[Feel]

the ad says that the 210 chips up better than the 225 and the info i got said that, if its wrong than so be it .it does not say in the ad that it chips up higher than the 225 . i was told all the info by someone on this site some time ago, that the 225 chips up to 269bhp and the 210 chips up to 265 thus making the 210 better for chipin i. if anyone can tell me other wise please do cos im getting slated for passing on info that was given to me from this site ,

Welcome to the forum.

Revo say

210 chips to 265bhp/285 ftlbs
225 chips to 265bhp/285ftlbs

Custom-Code say

210 chips to 260-265bhp/250-265ftlbs
225 chips to 270-275BHP/260-270ftlbs

Don't beleive everything you read on t'internet.

 

[Feel]

I'm not being funny, but how is higher not better? How can 265bhp be better than 269 bhp

210bhp to 265 is a larger gain than 225 to 269...

 

[peter staples]

sorry bud, what i ment is that yes the 225 is higher when chipped but what i was saying is that the 225 is 15 bhp more that the 210 unchipped and only 4 bhp more that the 210 chipped thus your getting more out of a chip on a 210bhp car ,or so i think , just trying to find out a bit more about my car as i think i upset a few people with my ad an that was never the intension,

 

[si-mate]

see the logic now...still think 269 is "better" than 265 lol

 

[peter staples]

thanks ,the info i got must be way out somewhere .but hey ho we live an learn. like i said in other posts just need to sell the car due to work , was working on info i d got to try an make a selling point out of it , not out to pi*s anyone off. thanks again

 

[peter staples]

im off . thanks all for your help. think ad can just run its course an see what happens !!!! catch ya , thanks again ;-)

 

[Feel]

And there's me thinking he was just sticking around the get 10 posts, so he could advertise on here...

Replacement rod info, says 20mm pins, suitable for ALL 1.8T's:

http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_61&products_id=365

 

[si-mate]

Don't know if he'd dare after that reception!

 

[YerMother]

And there's me thinking he was just sticking around the get 10 posts, so he could advertise on here...

Replacement rod info, says 20mm pins, suitable for ALL 1.8T's:

http://www.034motorsport.com/product_info.php?cPath=28_61&products_id=365

Tested to 800HP they should do!

 

[Feel]

I think they're the ones that Bill is running.

So, some room for more power then

 

[Johnsey]

two words "Rolling Restarts"

LMAO we had some fun at Brum SCn Meets that was for sure......although believe it or not Vennuth's driving wasn't as scary as WIlko's Golf OMFG that was scary, overtaking on a dark wet night round a sweeping bend into oncoming traffic.....I'm sure Wilko had it all under control though

I'll never forget that night when you, Neeley and Vennuth staggered back inside The Little Owl, white as ghosts, shaking and muttering " me that's quick!" The night Wayne dressed up in the Grim Reaper outfit (not on Hallowe'en) and randomly chatted to people or said "You're next!" comes a close second

 

[Mitchy]

Where have i started this rumour off lol, cant remember where i read it from but it was on here many moons back! I cant find the original source now, but it was way back before i started posting on here

Feel, i have been in engineering the last 7 years lol and yes i would find it highly unlikely for 2 different objects to have the same part number but im just trying to get down to the bottom of this rumour and cant find a real logical explanation on why the 2 engines would be different

Where has the 19mm pin come from aswell? Yumman posted up the sizes a couple of weeks ago showing AMK/BAM with 20mm pins Or im sure he did

The plot thickens lol

edited... Yep knew i had seen it

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1094044#post1094044

5th post down from yumann

20x62mm

 

[Mitchy]

210bhp to 265 is a larger gain than 225 to 269...

Jabba quote the same as does revo, wouldnt look too much into the differences.

Both cars map to around 265bhp as proven at numerous RR days at JBS, well when there rollers were working lol

 

[john_vts]

That's was my point - anyone with an engineering background will tell you that it's very,very unlikely that a physically different part has the same part number.

I don't REALLY know how seat do their part numbering, TBH, but how would SEAT's inventory systems cope, how would the part manufacturer know what to make, how would the dealer know what to order if there were two different parts knocking about that had the same part number? Daz or someone might know

As a Design Engineer I can tell you that where ever possible, a new number will not be issued when a part is modified or changed, simply a new revision is created.

As long as the modified part still meets certain criteria, a new number is not issued, so is very likely that two physically different parts can still have the same part number.


Another point to mention is that the costs involved in simply creating and maintaing a part number is significant so a manufacturer will always try to limit the amount of part numbers that it has in its system.

 

[Niall]

As working in the automotive supply chain i can tell you the following.

Parts change during the life of a car as everybody knows and as most engineers should know there are drawings with indexes. When the index changes the part gets assigned a different code, in VW's case the lettering digit changes behind the partnumber. i.e. goes from version A to Version B.

So .......A becomes .......B etc.

If the conrod is different it should have different numbers if they are the same and is has been superceded it should have the same number with a different letter code.

The only way to fin out is to strip a 210 and a 225 engine and compare the partnumbers stamped into the parts.

 

[Niall]

If you really want to know the differenc contact the following company and ask them: http://www.mtm-online.de/en/index.php?nav=4

As the owner/director worked for audi and he designed the S3 engine. They also sell MAF's that are used by audi sport which are not listed in any catalogs.

 

[storeyd]

having 10 years expirence in product development, i would like to add...

If there are 2 different parts with the same number (different issue level), then the old one will be obsolete... i.e no longer manufactured. When this decision is made an internal committe will decide what to do with the stock of the old issue part. ie scrap, use-up, replace etc. All these options would eventually lead to the same situation..... there will be no stock of the old issue left to manufacture or to supply to service centres. Therfore, the new issue part will fit both vehicles, otherwise how could a 210 car which needed a new part get the old issue?

Therfore... either the 210 rods were over-engineered anyway and the smaller diameter are cheaper and do the same job, or there are 2 enitirely different part numbers.