Twincharge engine to be axed?

[mardon]

Just seems like there are haters in this thread who don't even own the engine. robdf2's issue seems to be with seat and is using this thread to trash them some more (up to him I guess) and great_kahn seems to just have a downer on the engine in general. I've even seen him post info on the Rover forum about its performance and how he doubts it will last.

There are maybe 5 people on this forum who have some major issues. There are other which have been sorted. You cant blame the engine for seat dealerships complete lack of skill.

I really don't understand why people are jumping in here with ZERO facts slating something none of them own. Its a free country/forum to do what you like but I just don't understand why or where you are coming from.

 

[rahul]

There's no doubting it is a really good engine. As said before it is powerful, gives out low emissions, has a great torque range and probably shows the way forward with smaller engines and larger turbos and/or super chargers to comply with EU emmisions.

However, there is again the argument has shown unreliability, and I know you're all gonna jump and say "its a forum, all the negative aspects rise above, because it's only rarely we get to read a good news story about our cars." The reason for us not reading alot of good news stories is because we buy our cars with the intent for them being perfect. Why should we right about our cars, when we have spent well in excess of £12,000 for a machine, that we think should work perfectly.

However, I think the point raised about SEAT not having the correct training is also true. Maybe if the technicians where trained on how exactly the engine runs, and where the common faults are, then maybe they wouldn't have to rely on fault codes.

It's just like the 1.6 CR TDi. On paper, its a great engine, however maybe in the real world, where there is start stop traffic it doesn't seem to work with its DPF. The 1.4TSi, I'm not saying its a bad engine in the real world, just saying that maybe it could be improved and restructed. And as for the argument about it being axed, everything gets axed sooner or later, but usually its replaced with a new improved engine. I doubt it'll be axed any time soon, but I think you'll see maybe a Mark II version, with a higher reliability.

 

[Leonidas]

Didnt the 2ltr have problems in the begining?

 

[pault56]

many of the members have questioned seats technicians lack of proper training for some of the problems relating to fault finding with the engine. as far as im aware vw own seat so any bad publicity, or costs due to expensive repairs is directly affecting profitability of the company overall, so im not so sure this can be used as an excuse as vw would have resolved any problems due to lack of adequate training if it is affecting profits.

 

[seatcupramad23]

when i was 18 bought my 1st seat cupra and was niaeve to say the least had a fault with the car and taught seat built the car they must be able to fix it , long story short went in and out seat for 7months changing about everything and it the end it was only a split boost pipe which my local garage sorted so seat mechanics i would say need alot more trainig and understanding how each engine variant works and in regards to 1.4tfsi on paper on sounds great, brillant eco and great performance but an engine with a turbo and a supercharger on it sounds complicated and out of warranty repair bills would be no doubt expensive

 

[Leonidas]

when i was 18 bought my 1st seat cupra and was niaeve to say the least had a fault with the car and taught seat built the car they must be able to fix it , long story short went in and out seat for 7months changing about everything and it the end it was only a split boost pipe which my local garage sorted so seat mechanics i would say need alot more trainig and understanding how each engine variant works and in regards to 1.4tfsi on paper on sounds great, brillant eco and great performance but an engine with a turbo and a supercharger on it sounds complicated and out of warranty repair bills would be no doubt expensive

I had a similar experence about a month ago, Had a funny smell comin out of the vents and asked the dealer to have a look at it. After that there was a squeeking noise coming from the vents. I got a neighbour to look at it because he works in a VW garage. He said that someone didnt put the fan back together corrrectly and the motor blew. He got spare parts from a 08 Audi A3 and problem sorted...

 

[robdf2]

Just seems like there are haters in this thread who don't even own the engine. robdf2's issue seems to be with seat and is using this thread to trash them some more (up to him I guess) and great_kahn seems to just have a downer on the engine in general. I've even seen him post info on the Rover forum about its performance and how he doubts it will last.

There are maybe 5 people on this forum who have some major issues. There are other which have been sorted. You cant blame the engine for seat dealerships complete lack of skill.

I really don't understand why people are jumping in here with ZERO facts slating something none of them own. Its a free country/forum to do what you like but I just don't understand why or where you are coming from.

hahahhahaa made me laugh reading this , i think you need to read my posts again.
have you ever had a problem with your car? have you had to deal with seat? well unless you answer yes to both of these then you are a dreamer.
i dont need threads to let seat know what i think of them , they already know.
check out the scirroco forums and see what problems are on there.
facts are there but you have to read to find them.

i just hope you dont go through what these other guys are going through.

 

[seatcupramad23]

hahahhahaa made me laugh reading this , i think you need to read my posts again.
have you ever had a problem with your car? have you had to deal with seat? well unless you answer yes to both of these then you are a dreamer.
i dont need threads to let seat know what i think of them , they already know.
check out the scirroco forums and see what problems are on there.
facts are there but you have to read to find them.

i just hope you dont go through what these other guys are going through.

x2 from my experiences tuners no more about these cars that stealers do and will charge you alot less to fix that they would

 

[damianmkv]

My ( vw ) experience shows that everything is slowed down by the dealers Nit being able to change things that they think might be wrong as they won't be reimbursed. So they have to go to HQ and explain the symptoms and a day later comes a " try this" message.

Which probably won't work - the tech knows this. BUT he is obliged to do it.

And when it doesn't work, he sends off another report and waits another day...and on and on it goes...and there are other customers too...

The head tech at my dealers thought what he was being told to do was insane - he felt he knew what the issue was but had to wait until Mr HQ had reached that box on his checklist.

Anyways, I personally think it's a great engine with a few issues that are causing some major headaches. The tuning potential is what swayed me - I'll never go further than a map as it's fantastic when done

 

[Mr Cellotape]

I really don't understand why people are jumping in here with ZERO facts slating something none of them own. Its a free country/forum to do what you like but I just don't understand why or where you are coming from.

Many of the members on here are Petrol Heads and are therefore on many different forums. Being on those forums means you read an awful lot of gripes from owners of different vehicles.

The engine in the Ibiza Cupra is used in many different VAG vehicles and by undertaking a short google search (other search engines are available) you will find owners that are less than impressed with the reliability of the 1.4 engine over very short miles.

Given the above mentioned, freely available information I for one feel that there is no smoke without fire and therefore will comment where I please given the facts available.

I'm truly happy that your vehicle and many others are running well, however I fell very sorry for those whose vehicles have turned out to be complete lemons when SEAT/VAG group are doing sweet fanny adams about the issues because they obviously do not know what the problems/faults are.

As a member of this site and someone who has gone through the mill with SEAT in the past I feel it is the least I can do to give helpfull advice where possible which is why I have provided my list in the other thread.

Rob has also been through the same Mill with SEAT and does not have an axe to grind, he just wants his vehicle to run the way it should and be fixed correctly under warranty.

It is the least we should all expect given the money we pay for our vehicles.

Steve.

 

[seatcupramad23]

Many of the members on here are Petrol Heads and are therefore on many different forums. Being on those forums means you read an awful lot of gripes from owners of different vehicles.

The engine in the Ibiza Cupra is used in many different VAG vehicles and by undertaking a short google search (other search engines are available) you will find owners that are less than impressed with the reliability of the 1.4 engine over very short miles.

Given the above mentioned, freely available information I for one feel that there is no smoke without fire and therefore will comment where I please given the facts available.

I'm truly happy that your vehicle and many others are running well, however I fell very sorry for those whose vehicles have turned out to be complete lemons when SEAT/VAG group are doing sweet fanny adams about the issues because they obviously do not know what the problems/faults are.

As a member of this site and someone who has gone through the mill with SEAT in the past I feel it is the least I can do to give helpfull advice where possible which is why I have provided my list in the other thread.

Rob has also been through the same Mill with SEAT and does not have an axe to grind, he just wants his vehicle to run the way it should and be fixed correctly under warranty.

It is the least we should all expect given the money we pay for our vehicles.

Steve.

well said, thats why in general i prefer older cars less complex and alot easier to diagnos with newer cars these safety measures and emissions crap spoiling the pleasure of seat+ass+road= , i understand there are emissions regulations and we all need to do are bit for climate change but doesn't help when we being raped by unfair fuel costs compared to the rest of the world.

 

[chuckb]

I still say it is down to assembly problems. These engines are all put together by humans and all you need is the one lazy sod to have put your motor together and you are screwed and all you can do is hope that you get some one who has some sort of sense working on your car and fixing it. Training issues? I think that may where the problem is....................[/QUOTE


Now that I reckon is true. I do have I believe a real pony one.The fact is that out of how many have been sold compared to us who have genuine problems must equal more. People always pick up on others misfortune and normally have similar issues. This then generates interest. And every man and his camshaft wants to have their 50p's worth

I reckon that Pedro and Paulo were on siesta when they were kicked by the foreman Mr Gonzalez and told to "Feeeeeenish de Bocanegra by the end of Friday afternoon" So one rushed sound of ratcheting and torque wrenches snapping and the whirring of air tools and my Boca Boca trundled off the production line slightly wobbly.

The Great Khan bless him is a mega naysayer, Matey I am asking you have you ever owned one or is this based on someone else's experience like a close friend? Or are you just going for a general living under a bridge experience and eating goats? And going for a mega wind up every time. Do tell?

 

[Nath.]

well said, thats why in general i prefer older cars less complex and alot easier to diagnos with newer cars these safety measures and emissions crap spoiling the pleasure of seat+ass+road= , i understand there are emissions regulations and we all need to do are bit for climate change but doesn't help when we being raped by unfair fuel costs compared to the rest of the world.

I agree except the bit about climate change, I will never believe that co2 is the cause of our current weather cycle. Anyway back on topic, that's another thread.............

If you have plenty of weekend time to fiddle with your car then an older one in cood condition is a good call. if like many people these days you need 36 hrs in a day just to get along a new (ish) car frees up a lot of that time. To me time is money.

 

[Deleted member 49882]

As said...every manufacturer have problems with their cars...no need to slate an engine which a few people seem to have issues with while the vast majority of people have no serious issues with. As mentioned earlier...I did have an issue with my turbo which had to be replaced under warranty...since then, I have had no further problems with the car...and I hope it stays that way! When I got my car back, there was none of this ***** footing around...I drove it hard with the idea of either breaking it OR instilling confidence back to my drive. Thankfully, I feel confident / happy with the car and its reliability.

It would be interesting to get a 'break down' of how many cars with this engine right across the VAG have been released and out in the public domain and compare this to the actual recorded number of engine issues. I suspect there are 10s of thousands of cars that have been fitted with the engine and released to the public. I would have no idea how many people have experienced problems, but something tells me that it would be quite a low percentage. Let's face it, if more people than not (or a significant number of people) were experiencing issues, then VAG would do a recall or Watchdog or some other consumer programme would pick up the baton and launch an investigation.

I remember that with the Mark II Clios, there was an alleged issue with the bonnet catch...something like two hundred people complained that their bonnets were opening while driving. After sustained consumer pressure, they launched a recall for people to get their bonnet catches checked...but I believe Renault did not accept that there was an issue with the catch. What about Toyota and their problems (brake failures), leading to mass recall of someting like 8.5million vehicles IIRC?!?

As far as I am aware, there has been no mass recall of any VAG vehicle with the 1.4 TSI ... Health and Safety would dictate if there was any risk to people due to cars losing power or whatever other issues people are talking about in this thread, then these vehicles would be recalled...and - to thre best of my knowledge - they haven't been recalled nor have consumer programmes raised any issue.

A companies reputation is everything...there is no way that they would risk losing that reputation, so if the engine was dodgy, it would have been recalled...END OF!!!

Some people will inevitably experience problems with their cars...regardless of manufacture. All you can do is hope that you don't get the lemon or, at worst case, the fault can be easily sorted.

This all I have to say on the issue now...you win some, you lose some. Sorry if you are experiencing issues, but I don't think you can generalise it to the whole engine.

RANT OVER lol

 

[grant 123]

every time i turn on my TV the new skoda fabia vrs advert seems to be on, iam sure they wouldnt be splashing out on tv commercials if VAG was droping the 1.4tsi engine

 

[chuckb]

Good point! Should have mine back next week

 

[Nath.]

The thing is though there are a few peeps on here now that have had a new engine fitted. Personally speaking a car with a replacement engine is a car that will be sold or part exchanged, same as a car that has had a serious body repair. They are never the same again

 

[RobH]

This is a shame, was thinking of jumping ship to one of these as 250-270hp and dsg sounds like fun

 

[Deleted member 49882]

This is a shame, was thinking of jumping ship to one of these as 250-270hp and dsg sounds like fun

Honestly Rob, I am lost with what you are saying. The car is fine and no reason why you shouldn't jump ship if that is what you fancy...BUT I thought your issue was with SEAT in general. Why don't you take a cupra out for a long test drive, drive it hard and then tell us what you think. It may well surprise you.

 

[mark1231]

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/articles/2010/06/cars/volkswagen/polo/volkswagen-scoop-best-engine-award