lol @ JBS, once again proving great customer service. At what point in any of their sales info on their manifold does it stipulate you have to have an unsilenced turbo or even have the choice of saying what turbo its being fitted to it.
Day 6
On a slightly more positive note, my HiSpec brakes finally arrived last week
They're a kit made up for a MK2 16V Golf (same hubs) using the R114-4 calipers
(http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/calipers/R114 300 Rad.htm) with 310 x 28mm two-piece discs, ali bells, braided hoses and Ferodo pads.
As a slim-line track caliper (similar to the Wilwood Superlites) they *should* fit under the standard Cupra alloys with around ~1mm to play with but if the worst comes to the worst I will run 2mm spacers. They are supposedly slimmer than the Superlites.
As track calipers they are only available in black but I like the idea of keeping them hidden Like the Wilwoods they also don't have dust seals - purely because it is argued they will only melt after hard use anyway so it doesn't concern me too much.
Here they are:
On a slightly more positive note, my HiSpec brakes finally arrived last week
They're a kit made up for a MK2 16V Golf (same hubs) using the R114-4 calipers
(http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/calipers/R114 300 Rad.htm) with 310 x 28mm two-piece discs, ali bells, braided hoses and Ferodo pads.
As a slim-line track caliper (similar to the Wilwood Superlites) they *should* fit under the standard Cupra alloys with around ~1mm to play with but if the worst comes to the worst I will run 2mm spacers. They are supposedly slimmer than the Superlites.
As track calipers they are only available in black but I like the idea of keeping them hidden
Like the Wilwoods they also don't have dust seals - purely because it is argued they will only melt after hard use anyway so it doesn't concern me too much.Here they are:
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When going to fit these we soon realised this wasn't going to be 100% straight forward either
Firstly, the hard brake lines that run from the ABS pump through to the brake lines have seized on the driver's side and wasn't much better on the nearside meaning I need to order some new ones from SEAT:
When fitting the calipers to the carrier brackets it soon also became clear that the M10 x 30 cap head bolts supplied are neither the right thickness or length to fit properly:
Comparing to the original bolts which look to be M12 x 40:
M10 washers are also an issue:
Not the end of the world, just a minor annoyance. I could chase HiSpec for the correct replacements but for what it's going to cost me to get some replacements elsewhere I figure I may as well just buy some rather than waiting a week for it to be sorted their end.
Looking at the caliper to bracket bolts I'm hoping I can use some high-tensile steel bolts with some locking washers:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328750103&_trkparms=tab=Watching
Firstly, the hard brake lines that run from the ABS pump through to the brake lines have seized on the driver's side and wasn't much better on the nearside meaning I need to order some new ones from SEAT:
When fitting the calipers to the carrier brackets it soon also became clear that the M10 x 30 cap head bolts supplied are neither the right thickness or length to fit properly:
Comparing to the original bolts which look to be M12 x 40:
M10 washers are also an issue:
Not the end of the world, just a minor annoyance. I could chase HiSpec for the correct replacements but for what it's going to cost me to get some replacements elsewhere I figure I may as well just buy some rather than waiting a week for it to be sorted their end.
Looking at the caliper to bracket bolts I'm hoping I can use some high-tensile steel bolts with some locking washers:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170328750103&_trkparms=tab=Watching
The caliper needs shimming slightly when I have the correct washers but here it is lined up with the rotor and bell fitted:
While I'm waiting on these correct fixings we then decided to make a start on my intercooler by moving the radiator back using some brackets supplied by Alex at Backdraft, as replicas of the ones supplied in the Pro Alloy kits:
These were a complete c**t to fit but it has moved things back nicely allowing more space to work with behind the bumper when we come to line the intercooler up on the car.
More updates to follow as and when I hear anymore from TD/JBS and get the correct fixings for my brakes ready to finish these off.
While I'm waiting on these correct fixings we then decided to make a start on my intercooler by moving the radiator back using some brackets supplied by Alex at Backdraft, as replicas of the ones supplied in the Pro Alloy kits:
These were a complete c**t to fit but it has moved things back nicely allowing more space to work with behind the bumper when we come to line the intercooler up on the car.
More updates to follow as and when I hear anymore from TD/JBS and get the correct fixings for my brakes ready to finish these off.
Indeed Phil. I've also just spoken to Chris who also assures me he was never once told by JBS that this manifold is for a silenced unit only and there's no stipulation on the receipt.
The fact that Ian and Roly both ran silenced K03 units on these same manifolds speaks for itself in my eyes.
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sorry to hear all this mate, offer is still open about what we spoke about yesterday. just to give it a goian_cupra
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I would like to point out that at no point did JBS mention to me that the manifold was for a unsilenced turbo, you never even knew i was running an AM04 so how would you know if the turbo was silenced or unsilenced, as you never bothered to ask!
This manifold is based on exactly the same prinicple and surprisingly states ko3/ko3s
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188466
And just to prove my point even more, the tubular manifold was tested on a MK3 Ibiza with a ko3s back in April 08 way before i even bought my manifold (July 08) I assume it fitted that cause you managed to test it perfectly well and were more than happy to publish your results
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=168611&highlight=jbs+tubular+manifold
If you continue to make false claims about the information i was given i WILL be forced to take this further. I am quite a patient person but you are seriously pushing me now JBS i have had nothing but problems with you. Believe me i could publish more bad press about you but i won't sink as low as you!
Also both the sales options and the invoice never stated anything about the turbo having to be unsilenced, and before you say it did, Robbie has the original copy!
Maybe you should take a leaf out of your competitors books and actually show some customer service or is that too much trouble? As we are all aware of the numerous threads floating around about you!
I have spoken to Robbie about this and made him aware that i was never told anything about what you are saying. As i for one am anything but a liar. If you have a problem with me for whatever reason JBS then speak to ME don't throw around accusations that are completly made up
How about you find someone else to be your scape goat!
Anyways back to Robbies build up
This manifold is based on exactly the same prinicple and surprisingly states ko3/ko3s
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188466
And just to prove my point even more, the tubular manifold was tested on a MK3 Ibiza with a ko3s back in April 08 way before i even bought my manifold (July 08) I assume it fitted that cause you managed to test it perfectly well and were more than happy to publish your results
http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=168611&highlight=jbs+tubular+manifold
If you continue to make false claims about the information i was given i WILL be forced to take this further. I am quite a patient person but you are seriously pushing me now JBS i have had nothing but problems with you. Believe me i could publish more bad press about you but i won't sink as low as you!
Also both the sales options and the invoice never stated anything about the turbo having to be unsilenced, and before you say it did, Robbie has the original copy!
Maybe you should take a leaf out of your competitors books and actually show some customer service or is that too much trouble? As we are all aware of the numerous threads floating around about you!
I have spoken to Robbie about this and made him aware that i was never told anything about what you are saying. As i for one am anything but a liar. If you have a problem with me for whatever reason JBS then speak to ME don't throw around accusations that are completly made up
How about you find someone else to be your scape goat!
Anyways back to Robbies build up
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o yeah, brakes are looking rather nice
Agree with that, they are some seriously nice looking brakes
They seem to be washing their hands of anything to do with that tubular manifold. Anyway, back to topic as this is Robbies build thread and a cracking one at that as well.
Problems your gettin with the brakes are exactly the same as i had with my Wilwoods, cap head bolts on mine were too long and i couldnt get the hoses off easily, ended up ruining the OE ones using some grips to get them off.
Problems your gettin with the brakes are exactly the same as i had with my Wilwoods, cap head bolts on mine were too long and i couldnt get the hoses off easily, ended up ruining the OE ones using some grips to get them off.
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...indeed mateCheers Phil
Glad to know I'm not the only one - I managed to source the necessary bolts and washers off ebay this morning for sub £10 so it's not too bad. I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of contacting HiSpec and having to wait for it to be sorted.SEAT inform me that they can only supply rolls of 25 metres of brake line for the Cupras (part # 111 611 998) so I think I'll be going with some non-gen copper lines instead...
OK so after ongoing discussions with Mike at JBS as well as the help of Ian an agreement has been reached which *should* appease the issue at hand.
Mike has agreed to swap my manifold for one of their new cast designs (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188466) once they become available - but this is looking at a minimum of 8 weeks and I'm not holding my breath on that either.
The option to run my standard manifold was dismissed as I would need to get the map tweaked once the new manifold was fitted, requiring more hassle and money out of my back pocket.
So.... after speaking to Ian he has kindly agreed to swap my manifold with his (which is already known to fit this turbo) so I can get on and get the car back on the road and mapped. Then, we can both still swap these manifolds in once the new cast ones are ready. Running the newer high temp studs along with locking k-nuts and Nordlock washers it *ought* to hold out on me at least for this amount of time (seems to be working for Caney) - just requires the hassle of fitting the manifold twice but in my eyes offers the best comprimise at this time and should allow me to press on once again.
Email thread between JBS and myself:
Turbo Dynamics have posted my turbo and manifold back to me this afternoon so I should have these back tomorrow, ready to swap for the weekend so I can get back on it next week Let's hope that's the last major stalling issue in this project as it has to be said I'm rapidly falling out of love with this car at the moment.
Mike has agreed to swap my manifold for one of their new cast designs (http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188466) once they become available - but this is looking at a minimum of 8 weeks and I'm not holding my breath on that either.
The option to run my standard manifold was dismissed as I would need to get the map tweaked once the new manifold was fitted, requiring more hassle and money out of my back pocket.
So.... after speaking to Ian he has kindly agreed to swap my manifold with his (which is already known to fit this turbo) so I can get on and get the car back on the road and mapped. Then, we can both still swap these manifolds in once the new cast ones are ready. Running the newer high temp studs along with locking k-nuts and Nordlock washers it *ought* to hold out on me at least for this amount of time (seems to be working for Caney) - just requires the hassle of fitting the manifold twice but in my eyes offers the best comprimise at this time and should allow me to press on once again.
Email thread between JBS and myself:
Turbo Dynamics have posted my turbo and manifold back to me this afternoon so I should have these back tomorrow, ready to swap for the weekend so I can get back on it next week
Let's hope that's the last major stalling issue in this project as it has to be said I'm rapidly falling out of love with this car at the moment.Day 7
Well, not really any progress to report tonight but a few things worth mentioning...
I picked up my (now correct) BAM fuel pump from SEAT yesterday and went to fit it tonight but seem to have run into some minor issues here too. When lining the new pump up with the arrow on the left-hand-side of the tank it just doesn't want to sit in there properly and we can't get the sealing ring to screw on.
If we compare this to the OE Ibiza pump you can notice that the top of the pump is sat at an angle which aids the standard one in - but when we line the BAM pump up to the arrow on the tank it doesn't sit at the same angle at all, making it seemingly impossible to attach the sealing ring:
AYP (3 bar) pump vs new BAM (4 bar) pump:
BAM pump:
With the arrows on the pump and tank lined up:
Here's how it sits when lined-up:
As the level sender is aligned differently to the OE pump then this means it lines up differently on the tank. Is there anything I'm missing here as this just doesn't want to play ball at the moment?
Moving back onto the brakes I ordered the correct shim washers and caliper bracket bolts as the supplied hardware kit was too small but it turns out the thread pitch of the M10 caliper bolts is too large so I need to measure the standard bolts and get this sorted too.
With regards to the hard brakes lines that run from the ABS pump to the OE rubber lines - can anyone confirm what diameter I need to order here please? Also, is it possible to re-use the unions where the pipes attach to the pump or do I need to order some of these too?
While I'm waiting on answers for this little lot we're going to make a start on the intercooler tomorrow so watch this space for more updates soon.
Well, not really any progress to report tonight but a few things worth mentioning...
I picked up my (now correct) BAM fuel pump from SEAT yesterday and went to fit it tonight but seem to have run into some minor issues here too. When lining the new pump up with the arrow on the left-hand-side of the tank it just doesn't want to sit in there properly and we can't get the sealing ring to screw on.
If we compare this to the OE Ibiza pump you can notice that the top of the pump is sat at an angle which aids the standard one in - but when we line the BAM pump up to the arrow on the tank it doesn't sit at the same angle at all, making it seemingly impossible to attach the sealing ring:
AYP (3 bar) pump vs new BAM (4 bar) pump:
BAM pump:
With the arrows on the pump and tank lined up:
Here's how it sits when lined-up:
As the level sender is aligned differently to the OE pump then this means it lines up differently on the tank. Is there anything I'm missing here as this just doesn't want to play ball at the moment?
Moving back onto the brakes I ordered the correct shim washers and caliper bracket bolts as the supplied hardware kit was too small but it turns out the thread pitch of the M10 caliper bolts is too large so I need to measure the standard bolts and get this sorted too.
With regards to the hard brakes lines that run from the ABS pump to the OE rubber lines - can anyone confirm what diameter I need to order here please? Also, is it possible to re-use the unions where the pipes attach to the pump or do I need to order some of these too?
While I'm waiting on answers for this little lot we're going to make a start on the intercooler tomorrow so watch this space for more updates soon.
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when does work start on putting it all together then mate now you have the manifold
just remember, it will be worth it
o and i must remind you i was on stock manifold 
just remember, it will be worth it
o and i must remind you i was on stock manifold 
Hey all,
Sorry it's all gone a bit quiet lately - been a bit pre-occupied recently!
We started back on the car properly tonight so I'll post a full update up with pics shortly
Cheers again Ian for your help on that Sunday - massively impressed with your car and it's given me the motivation I need to stay focussed and get mine finished now
Sorry it's all gone a bit quiet lately - been a bit pre-occupied recently!
We started back on the car properly tonight so I'll post a full update up with pics shortly
Cheers again Ian for your help on that Sunday - massively impressed with your car and it's given me the motivation I need to stay focussed and get mine finished now
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