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UPDATE - linear map installed - STAGE 1 LCR

So this new map gives a 1 to 1 ratio on throttle - meaning if you request 30% throttle, you'll get exactly that (the previous map may have requested 38/39% instead of being more accurate)

OLD MAP - When applying HALF to FULL throttle on the old map, i felt as if there was no difference in boost, Its as if the turbo had run out of beans because all the power had already been requested in lower throttle.

First impressions on linear map:
When on quarter/half throttle, the car doesnt seem to be doing much, seems to be bobbing about doing nothing really (proving that the map is only requesting exactly what my right foot wants)
This could be very good for my MPG, time will tell.

Full Throttle.
When giving the full beans, the car seems to be acting much more ALIVE.
Dont get me wrong, im not saying im crashing through tescos express or anything, but it feels the power delivery from the turbo is much more healthy n feels more powerful. hmm.

the KEY word here is CONTROL.... you have so much better control over the boost its unreal. For that reason alone, this new linear map is a must!

Performance.
When giving the beans, im finding more torque steer which is a nice feeling tbh,
for this reason i decided to get my liquid guage out and record my Torque levels.

Max Torque on old map (this was from 2 years of testing n logging) = 280 (boost 7 Timing 4)
Max Torque on new map (this was from 3 WOT runs last night) = 294 (boost 7 Timing 4)

an increase in 14 torques and im only running boost 7. i could up it to 8 or 9 and see what happens at a later date.


i dunno, i have no idea why im getting better performance, but like i said, the power delivery seems so much more healthy and now its outputting more power too. nice.
- Is this further proof that these k04s love progressive power requests? perhaps one of the tecchys here could answer this?

will do some more testing on MPG etc, higher boost levels. blahs.
 
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I don't see how a progressive throttle would give more power as it will only make a certain amount of power for a certain amount of fuel and air being burnt.Applying the throttle more steadily is probably giving you a placebo affect in that you have less power for the same pedal push as before but when you push harder it still pulls albeit up to the same power as before just delivered differently.

Unless they have changed the maps too, which people are saying not?
 
What a superb update pal, i completely agree with you. The car/throttle/map does exactly what you want it to do, it takes a little getting used too handling the power and torque steer when it comes in but Its immense when it finally does bolt in. Changes my feelings about the car massively, my brother was pretty shocked and impressed at its performance in comparison to his scooby aswell. Always a good feeling, love a wolf in sheeps clothing!lol
 
I don't see how a progressive throttle would give more power as it will only make a certain amount of power for a certain amount of fuel and air being burnt.Applying the throttle more steadily is probably giving you a placebo affect in that you have less power for the same pedal push as before but when you push harder it still pulls albeit up to the same power as before just delivered differently.

Unless they have changed the maps too, which people are saying not?

Its just one of those things you have to try for it to make sense!
 
Sounds like theyve made the map more drivable. The car is simply too powerful for the first couple of gears so feeding in the power rather than just getting it full on and losing traction is a must.
Much easier to do this with a lightfoot and progressive map.
 
skid.
i dont understand either, its strange.
not complaining of course, but it does seem these turbos prefer the progressive throttle

welchy
how long you had it for mate, whats your revo settings?
 
Joeb, im dabbling between low boost 6, high boost 6 and timing 4. Then if i run Vpower through about 2 full tanks i turn timing upto 5/6 but i never feel that timing can be advanced enough. I have found 4 gives me the most torque/pull through the rev range.
 
do you have a fmic?
if so then you'll probably be able to increase the timing to 5/6

over 2 years ive mainly run timing 8 boost 4 - gives me the best performance without any knocks. feels good.
someone else on this forum uses the same - seems to be a good setting.

do you data log when changing setting.....?
 
do you have a fmic?
if so then you'll probably be able to increase the timing to 5/6

over 2 years ive mainly run timing 8 boost 4 - gives me the best performance without any knocks. feels good.
someone else on this forum uses the same - seems to be a good setting.

do you data log when changing setting.....?

No haven't got one yet, will be going De-cat and cat back system and then FMIC.. I dont data log, well i do sometimes, just feel whats better from my right foot and the way the car drives...
 
thats what i used to do.
but in reality, my previous revo setting(s) were too high for my car - it did feel good at the time but when i logged the car i found dangerous high CF levels.

i would highly recommend getting a liquid guage. it does the logging and also monitors performance figures. nice
check it out :)

i was also thinking exhaust too - thats the only mod left before stage 2
but i want to fit the badger 5 TIP first in the next 2/3 weeks, it has proven performance increases.
 
Hmmmm!
doctor gonzo paid 280 for the upgrade, wtf.

The revised map cost me £100, this included 1 before and 2 after Rolling roads.

I'm convinced the previous owner messed up the settings with SP2/3, thats why the power / torque jumps up so much with the new map. It feels a lot quicker, certainly in line with the new figures.

There seems to be some confusion regarding the difference, i keep hearing its referred to as a "race" map.

We offer a linear throttle version of the stage1 and 2 software for the 1.8T LCR, the boost control and throttle are much more useable and overall the car more drivable. The 'Race' label is given to it as the software pushes things a little further if you choose to set it up that way.

Not quite sure what "pushes things a little further" is supposed to mean, all i know is its a great map and i'll highly recommend it.

If you look at my RR print out it doesnt make full power until near 6K, i was always under the impression that the Revo map is strong low to mid range but tails off towards the top of the rev range. I'd say it was the opposite looking at my RR print out. :think:
 
hi doctor G, good to hear from you

one thing we can agree on is that the map is definatly better than the old one. the power seems to much more useable - its as if the old map was wasting power in the 'way' it was delivered.

there definatly seems more power in the higher revs, but that goes AGAINST what everyones been saying that 'the characteristics of the map are NOT changed'

Hmm, wonder what they mean by 'pushing that extra more'
 
Wel,
Go for it dude

Getting the tip real soon, will let you know how it is!

Your gonna love the LG!
 
Ok I would like to add something here. I have a Revo stage 2 linear. I'm not quite sure how many others have, as it seems most that have posted are Revo stage 1.

Just to clarify, I don't think the 'throttle plate movement' thing is anything new, as on my custom code stage 1 I got full throttle at 75% throttle travel, which was removed too.

Now onto Revo stage 2 linear. A pretty hefty step up from custom code 1 I would say...big time. Was running my stage 1 for 5 years. Although regularly getting low torque on RR, always got high horsepower. Such a torque hike that within a week of it being on (map has been on 3 weeks) I booked the car in for rods. :)

During mapping/data logging my boost gauge was regularly into 1.9 spike and holding 1.65+ to around 6k. This was shocking as hell as this was on boost 8 I think. So we turned the boost down to 6 and I drove that for a week...this was still hitting 1.7spike and holding more than 1.5. So again I went back to adjust it further to protect them rods.
Look...

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Now car is on boost 5 timing 4. The timing never changed from original map. Now the car spikes at just over 1.5 bar and holds 1.5. Which is a safety net really. Omg it's still a heap faster than my stage 1. Frickin flies. When boost was on 6 the 3rd and 4th gear pull was savage. Almost throwing me across the road.

I did write a mini review on my RR thread, this will be updated when my Rods are done and I'm on boost 9 :)

A little summary about the map. First and second are similar to stage 1 except (and this I'm not too keen on) you don't really feel the force until right at the top of the rev range in gear 2. Now the reason I didn't like this gear is because (if you drive like me) and sometimes you like to floor second, with this map your not getting the full 'pull' until 6k+ and should a vehicle pull in front of you or brakes, because your foot is planted, when I back off my foot has a looooong way to go which can reduce braking speed. Understand?

Other than that, 3,4,5,6 gears are great in mid to top range. But as I have yet to test the map fully it can be improved on. Oh and mpg? I'm getting better mpg than my standard car....why? Cos the car is off boost most of the time in town driving.

Get the map, it's great. Costs £50 more than regular stage 2 but you get the benefit of a better map plus your actually 'stage 2+)! The + makes all the difference. :)


Sent from my iPhone when I should be working....
 
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My car is booked in for stage 2 linear next week so can't wait to see the difference between this and my old revo stg2 map.