Jabba IHI, Still ongoing

[m0rk]

what's the cost associatted with the downpipe?

IIRC if one was to got BTB (who are the dogs) then the 1st would cost £500 or so with subsequent ones costing abotu £250

not teaching jabba to suck eggs, but I'm sure there's more than one way around this. that or as you state - just charge more & get them custom done.

unless a DP is over complaicated - it's just a "bit of pipe with 2 flanges" bent in the right way?

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by m0rk
what's the cost associatted with the downpipe?

IIRC if one was to got BTB (who are the dogs) then the 1st would cost £500 or so with subsequent ones costing abotu £250

not teaching jabba to suck eggs, but I'm sure there's more than one way around this. that or as you state - just charge more & get them custom done.

unless a DP is over complaicated - it's just a "bit of pipe with 2 flanges" bent in the right way?

Cost will be time not materials particularly..
The vendor who has stuffed up continually... is Blue Flame.. (yes I have named and shamed them)

(IF) the rear engine mount could be re-jigged (new one fab'd) then a less compromised DP should be possible using Jabba's cast turbo outlet pipe.
Yes this is on my list of things to do... (fab new rear engine mount to make a ZERO compromise turbo outlet) - In my spare time.. but am getting myself a nice TIG set soon. something to keep me out of mischief. (AC/DC set.... ally welding here I come )

Jabba do have plasma cut turbo outlet blanks from which the outlet could be constructed from.

Downpipe is'nt overly complicated from what I have seen (my own that is) but it is close to many things and by nature an awkward thing to produce. doable... for sure, but awkward.

I may consider the alternate rear engine mount and cast turbo outlet a viable alternative. It will take some time to make something up to see.

 

[Black R]

BILL blueflame eh:uzi: ... i have phoned the SUN newspaper and they have agreed to place a form in tomorrows edition so we can petition the said named and shamed company!! with demands that they pull the monkey off the shop floor who keeps friggin these parts up and replace him with someone who knows what they doin !!!

 

[Saul]

if it were me (its not) and i had the money (i dont) id go to a more professional outfit as m0rk says.

i deal with machine shops and pipe maipulators all the time, they miss deadlines regularly, but im talking days not months,

imo they are either:

a) taking the piss
b) incapable



edit to add: blue flame not jabba

 

[ibizacupra]

Who knows the root cause of Blue Flames problem.... but they have put Jabba in a difficult position. Late then then cocked up the made systems... rework or remake? Who knows.. DOH!

Sux does'nt it

Was going to wait for Jabba's new full system for mine... but I am not that patient so have got a Jetex one now. Only bit about the Jetex I don't like from looking at it, is the taipipe splitter... Single exit rear box which has an abrupt Y piece to split into the 2 x 80mm round pipes.. Miltek has 2 x exits from the box proper... Maybe thats the better design? (splits into a Y inside rear box as opposed on exit of rear box.. - just strikes me its an abrumpt change of direction for the exhaust gas to go.... and non-ideal.

Will try it and see. Could always mod it for single large oval from the 2.5" exit... (practice me TIG welding )

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by Saul

i deal with machine shops and pipe maipulators all the time, they miss deadlines regularly, but im talking days not months,

Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..

Bill

 

[Black R]

Originally posted by ibizacupra
Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..

Bill

i do !!!

.. just collected me 2.5" miltek ... y u ditched yours and gone with jettex ??? i didn't go for jettex for the exact reason u have just explianed above .. the miltek tail piece looks loads better!!!

 

[ibizacupra]

Originally posted by custard cruiser
i do !!!

.. just collected me 2.5" miltek ... y u ditched yours and gone with jettex ??? i didn't go for jettex for the exact reason u have just explianed above .. the miltek tail piece looks loads better!!!

Blag some bits?
Thinking Sch10 fittings in 2.5" and 3" NB, long radius 90 degree elbows. Some Sch 10 pipe also... in 2.5" NB and 3" NB to connect some parts up and then some Hygienic stainless pipe for end connections perhaps... (maybe not..just cat flange to pipe fitting)

I agree that the Miltek tails looks better.. My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change. Jabba's Ibiza runs Jetex so I know it works. Tail pipe construction on Jetex is... erm.. not as good as I would like... but hey. Try it first I guess.

regards
bill

 

[Black R]

Originally posted by ibizacupra
Blag some bits?
Thinking Sch10 fittings in 2.5" and 3" NB, long radius 90 degree elbows. Some Sch 10 pipe also... in 2.5" NB and 3" NB to connect some parts up and then some Hygienic stainless pipe for end connections perhaps... (maybe not..just cat flange to pipe fitting)

I agree that the Miltek tails looks better.. My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change. Jabba's Ibiza runs Jetex so I know it works. Tail pipe construction on Jetex is... erm.. not as good as I would like... but hey. Try it first I guess.

regards
bill

Had bucketloads of that stuff chucked when i left last place.!!!!. but leave it with me .. i'll see if i can do a david copperfield on some of that stuff

 

[Saul]

Originally posted by ibizacupra
Saul..
Do you have suppliers of decent (polished sanitary type) stainless fittings? Dairy fittings... open swept bends, mandrel bent etc..... 3" OD, 2.75" OD, 2.5" OD type sizes..

Bill

sure do, its my job

have access if not stock in all the hygienic fittings and tube and all the nominal bore aswell, sch 10 is not a bit thick tho for an exhaust?

drop me a mail bill with what you want

[email protected]

 

[BenS1]

Originally posted by ibizacupra

My Miltek is burnt out. No packing in rear box. Fancied a change.

regards
bill

Burnt out? Why? Arn't exhausts designed to get hot?

Whats to stop the Jetex doing the same?

So the IHI needs a new exhaust every year does it?

Ben

 

[m0rk]

I had a cunning thought yesterday

If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?

If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?

Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet

are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.

M

 

[hopkinsgm]

Ben - have you ever looked at a (silenced) race exhaust? Most of them have silencers that can be opened up and re-packed. It's a fact of life that the packing material will deteriorate over time.

Repackable race cans are sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing. They're a good thing in that overall they probably last longer, but on a multi silencer system they'd be a pain in the @rse to repack as you'd have to remove the system downstream of the box you want to repack. Another negative is that they do occassionally blow hulking great wads of packing material out of them...

 

[Black R]

Originally posted by m0rk
I had a cunning thought yesterday

If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?

If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?

Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet

are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.

M

jabba wont be doin a damm thing until they are 101% happy .. if that means u and i ....and poor old ben are completely pissed off then as far as jabba are concerned ..TUFF!!!

Cant blame em in that respect... believe me i have tried all angles and they arn't budging till its all there ...completed, tested ,signed ,sealed and one day ... delivered

 

[Black R]

Bout says it all really !!!

 

[BenS1]

Originally posted by hopkinsgm
Ben - have you ever looked at a (silenced) race exhaust? Most of them have silencers that can be opened up and re-packed. It's a fact of life that the packing material will deteriorate over time.

Repackable race cans are sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing. They're a good thing in that overall they probably last longer, but on a multi silencer system they'd be a pain in the @rse to repack as you'd have to remove the system downstream of the box you want to repack. Another negative is that they do occassionally blow hulking great wads of packing material out of them...

What happens if you just leave it, and don't replace or repack it? Does it just get louder?

 

[BenS1]

Originally posted by m0rk
I had a cunning thought yesterday

If the downpipe is the only holding factor - then the rest of it is sat in a box with your name & number on it?

If so - is that box available for you to buy? thus giving you a happy feeling that the conversion is 'coming along'?

Unless:
a) that's not the case & the downpipes aren't the only thing not in stock
b) there isn't much faith in the downpipes coming in
c) it's a lot of money to tie up in a useless (in their current state) box of bits
d) the conversion isn't read yet

are golfy's & the rest getting 'done' or is the Ibiza not the only model to be stuck.

M

Great idea, and yes it would give me a 'happy feeling', but as mentioned above, I very much doubt that Jabba will do it.

Cheers
Ben

 

[m0rk]

and more bits come out & more gas gets disturbed as it trys to get thru the the baffles into the box

should slow & disturb the gas flow I'd have thought

M

 

[dangel]

You'll find this amusing...

My wife is off for a month at the end of this one - if Jabba can do my car next month she won't be here to stop me... if not.. i've got a fight on my hands when she gets back!

Reading this thread is not making me optimistic!

 

[hopkinsgm]

Originally posted by BenS1
...What happens if you...don't replace or repack it...

More packing material burns away/gets blown out, leaving more space for exhaust gases to get into and also reverberate around. I'd imagine that as m0rk says, there'll probably be more turbulence too leading to a reduction in performance. Anyway, it'd get loud. Seriously f*cking loud.

I was marshalling a sprint last year at Colerne Airfield, a round of the National Champs. During the top 10 run off at the end of the day one of the front runners' had his the silencer blow itself to bits at the end of the main straight - at full chat in top. It was significantly louder afterwards...