new logs.. cf still poor

[ibizacupra]

what boost is it running?

 

[james walker]

Group B:	'020				Group C:	 Not Running					
							Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition	
						TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME
						STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP
0.01	0	0	0	0							
0.3	0	0	0	0							
0.6	0	0	0	0							
0.9	0	0	0	0							
1.21	0	0	0	0							
1.51	0	0	3	0							
1.81	0	3	3	3							
2.11	0	3	3	3							
2.41	0	3	3	3							
2.72	0	3	3	3							
3.02	0	3	3	3							
3.32	0	3	3	3							
3.62	0	3	3	3							
3.92	0	3	3	3							
4.22	0	3	3	3							
4.54	0	3	6	3							
4.84	3	3	6	3							
5.14	3	3	6	6							
5.43	3	6	6	6							
5.74	3	6	6	6							
6.03	3	6	6	6							
6.35	3	6	9	6							
6.64	3	6	9	6							
6.94	3	6	9	6							
7.24	3	6	9	5.3							
7.55	3	5.3	9	5.3							
7.84	2.3	5.3	9	5.3							
8.15	2.3	5.3	8.3	5.3							
8.46	2.3	5.3	8.3	5.3							
8.76	2.3	5.3	8.3	5.3							
9.06	2.3	5.3	8.3	5.3							
9.36	2.3	4.5	8.3	4.5

minus 1.5

seems to be worse.....

 

[james walker]

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'115				Group C:	'020			
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME			(specified Value)	(actual Value)	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW
0.3	2680	71.64	100	15	0.6	2800	145.1	2330	1950	0.01	0	0	0	0
1.2	3120	111.81	100	4.5	1.5	3280	191.7	2270	2460	0.9	3	0	6	3
2.11	3640	139.39	100	3.8	2.41	3800	191.7	2220	2490	1.81	3	0	6	3
3.01	4120	148.81	100	6.8	3.31	4320	186.5	2120	2360	2.71	3	3	5.3	3
3.92	4640	160.08	100	7.5	4.22	4800	191.7	2110	2220	3.62	3	3	5.3	6
4.82	5080	168.89	98.8	10.5	5.12	5200	172.9	2070	2140	4.53	6	9	5.3	6
5.73	5480	172.67	100	10.5	6.03	5600	164.7	2040	2030	5.44	6	9	4.5	6
6.64	5840	177.89	100	8.3	6.94	5920	155.6	1990	1930	6.33	5.3	8.3	7.5	5.3
7.54	6120	176.78	100	8.3	7.85	6200	149.6	1930	1910	7.25	5.3	8.3	7.5	5.3
8.45	6360	175.14	100	12	8.76	6480	139.8	1860	1830	8.14	5.3	7.5	6.8	4.5
9.35	6600	171.31	100	16.5	9.66	6600	79.7	1010	1700	9.05	4.5	7.5	6.8	4.5
18	January	2010	16:14:31

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'118				Group C:	'031		
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Intake Air	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Lambda Sensor	Lambda Sensor	Bin. Bits
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME		Temperature	Solenoid Valve	(actual Value)	TIME	Current Value	Specified Value	
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar	STAMP			
0.55	2920	76.03	98.8	21	0.01	2760	30	7.5	1310	0.25	0.977	1	        
1.47	3320	122.61	100	6.8	0.85	3040	30	86.3	1970	1.15	1.008	1	        
2.36	3800	136.33	100	6.8	1.76	3520	30	79.6	2450	2.06	0.984	0.961	        
3.27	4320	145.89	100	9	2.66	4000	32	82.7	2420	2.96	0.922	0.945	        
4.17	4760	154.83	100	9.8	3.57	4480	33	84.3	2310	3.87	0.883	0.906	        
5.09	5200	165.56	100	7.5	4.47	4920	36	83.9	2230	4.78	0.883	0.891	        
5.99	5560	167.33	100	8.3	5.38	5320	39	84.3	2100	5.68	0.867	0.883	        
6.9	5920	174.03	100	12	6.29	5680	41	85.1	1980	6.58	0.867	0.875	        
7.79	6160	176.5	100	8.3	7.2	6000	45	84.3	1950	7.49	0.875	0.883	        
8.71	6440	122.61	79.2	12.8	8.09	6280	47	80	1910	8.4	0.875	0.891

timing pull still pretty bad, used v power, reset ecu, new plugs only thing left is fuel filter.

can hear a slight hissing from engine bay, somewhere round the back of the block.

no fault codes present, but there is a noticeable surge in top gear around 70mph if i accelerate.

bottom end hesitation is better since fitting forge yellow 007p spring.

also injectors are noisy, but not sure how loud they should be

any ideas fellas?

boost in first log bill

 

[james walker]

ill try it the other way a.m.... relog then.

 

[james walker]

any other advise guys please???

 

[james walker]

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'115				Group C:	'020			
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME			(specified Value)	(actual Value)	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW
0.3	2680	71.64	100	15	0.6	2800	145.1	2330	1950	0.01	0	0	0	0
1.2	3120	111.81	100	4.5	1.5	3280	191.7	2270	2460	0.9	3	0	6	3
2.11	3640	139.39	100	3.8	2.41	3800	191.7	2220	2490	1.81	3	0	6	3
3.01	4120	148.81	100	6.8	3.31	4320	186.5	2120	2360	2.71	3	3	5.3	3
3.92	4640	160.08	100	7.5	4.22	4800	191.7	2110	2220	3.62	3	3	5.3	6
4.82	5080	168.89	98.8	10.5	5.12	5200	172.9	2070	2140	4.53	6	9	5.3	6
5.73	5480	172.67	100	10.5	6.03	5600	164.7	2040	2030	5.44	6	9	4.5	6
6.64	5840	177.89	100	8.3	6.94	5920	155.6	1990	1930	6.33	5.3	8.3	7.5	5.3
7.54	6120	176.78	100	8.3	7.85	6200	149.6	1930	1910	7.25	5.3	8.3	7.5	5.3
8.45	6360	175.14	100	12	8.76	6480	139.8	1860	1830	8.14	5.3	7.5	6.8	4.5
9.35	6600	171.31	100	16.5	9.66	6600	79.7	1010	1700	9.05	4.5	7.5	6.8	4.5
18	January	2010	16:14:31

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'118				Group C:	'031		
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Intake Air	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Lambda Sensor	Lambda Sensor	Bin. Bits
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME		Temperature	Solenoid Valve	(actual Value)	TIME	Current Value	Specified Value	
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar	STAMP			
0.55	2920	76.03	98.8	21	0.01	2760	30	7.5	1310	0.25	0.977	1	        
1.47	3320	122.61	100	6.8	0.85	3040	30	86.3	1970	1.15	1.008	1	        
2.36	3800	136.33	100	6.8	1.76	3520	30	79.6	2450	2.06	0.984	0.961	        
3.27	4320	145.89	100	9	2.66	4000	32	82.7	2420	2.96	0.922	0.945	        
4.17	4760	154.83	100	9.8	3.57	4480	33	84.3	2310	3.87	0.883	0.906	        
5.09	5200	165.56	100	7.5	4.47	4920	36	83.9	2230	4.78	0.883	0.891	        
5.99	5560	167.33	100	8.3	5.38	5320	39	84.3	2100	5.68	0.867	0.883	        
6.9	5920	174.03	100	12	6.29	5680	41	85.1	1980	6.58	0.867	0.875	        
7.79	6160	176.5	100	8.3	7.2	6000	45	84.3	1950	7.49	0.875	0.883	        
8.71	6440	122.61	79.2	12.8	8.09	6280	47	80	1910	8.4	0.875	0.891

timing pull still pretty bad, used v power, reset ecu, new plugs only thing left is fuel filter.

can hear a slight hissing from engine bay, somewhere round the back of the block.

no fault codes present, but there is a noticeable surge in top gear around 70mph if i accelerate.

bottom end hesitation is better since fitting forge yellow 007p spring.

also injectors are noisy, but not sure how loud they should be

any ideas fellas?

new logs added with fuel filter replaced guys, ive added them to the original logs without the fuel filter renewal

Group A:	'003				Group B:	'115				Group C:	'020			
	Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition
TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME			(specified Value)	(actual Value)	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay
STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	 %	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW
0.26	2480	49.97	76.9	21.8	0.56	2600	110.5	2020	1480	0.01	0	0	0.8	2.3
1.16	2880	87.11	100	9.8	1.46	3000	164.7	2380	2230	0.86	0	0	3.8	2.3
2.07	3400	119.36	100	6	2.37	3600	189.5	2210	2310	1.77	0	0	3.8	1.5
2.97	3920	133.92	100	6	3.27	4120	187.2	2190	2360	2.67	0	0	3.8	1.5
3.88	4440	150.31	100	9	4.18	4600	188.7	2150	2250	3.58	0	0	3	1.5
4.79	4960	165.14	100	6.8	5.08	5120	184.2	2090	2160	4.48	6	6	6	4.5
5.69	5400	171.61	100	6.8	5.99	5520	163.2	2060	2070	5.39	6	6	6	7.5
6.6	5760	174.31	100	9	6.91	5920	156.4	2020	1970	6.3	5.3	5.3	5.3	7.5
7.5	6080	170.25	100	10.5	7.81	6200	148.9	1950	1890	7.21	5.3	5.3	8.3	6.8
8.4	6360	178.44	100	10.5	8.71	6480	141.4	1860	1830	8.11	5.3	5.3	8.3	6.8

Thursday	21	January	2010	13:42:09											
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT         0002													
															
	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'118				Group C:	'031			
		Engine Speed	Intake Air Mass	Throttle Drive	Ignition		Engine Speed	Intake Air	Charge Pressure	Charge Pressure		Lambda Sensor	Lambda Sensor	Bin. Bits	Bin. Bits
	TIME			Angle Sensor 1	Timing Angle	TIME		Temperature	Solenoid Valve	(actual Value)	TIME	Current Value	Specified Value		
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	 %	 °BTDC	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar	STAMP				
	0.01	2560	32.44	19.6	25.5	0.3	2680	18	86.3	1510	0.6	0.984	1	        	        
	0.91	2960	95.47	100	7.5	1.21	3120	18	81.6	2340	1.51	1	1	        	        
	1.81	3480	127.72	100	6	2.11	3640	20	83.5	2350	2.41	0.977	1	        	        
	2.72	3960	142.69	100	6.8	3.02	4160	21	81.2	2390	3.33	0.914	0.93	        	        
	3.62	4480	155.17	100	6.8	3.93	4640	24	82.7	2270	4.23	0.891	0.899	        	        
	4.53	4960	167.56	100	9.8	4.83	5120	27	83.9	2160	5.14	0.875	0.891	        	        
	5.44	5400	171.86	100	9.8	5.75	5520	30	84.3	2040	6.04	0.875	0.875	        	        
	6.34	5800	175.69	100	11.3	6.64	5920	33	84.3	1940	6.95	0.883	0.883	        	        
	7.25	6120	175.94	100	8.3	7.55	6200	36	81.6	1870	7.86	0.883	0.883	        	        
	8.16	6400	175.17	100	12.8	8.46	6480	39	78	1790	8.76	0.922	0.922

this was with .75 added timing.... jeseus maybe not

Thursday	21	January	2010	14:02:11											
06A 906 032 HN		1.8L R4/5VT      01 0002													
															
Marker	Group A:	 Not Running				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'020			
							Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition		Cylinder 1 Ignition	Cylinder 2 Ignition	Cylinder 3 Ignition	Cylinder 4 Ignition
	TIME					TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	TIME	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay	Angle Delay
Marker	STAMP					STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW
						0.01	0	0	0	0	0.3	3	3	5.3	3
						0.6	3	3	5.3	3	0.91	3	2.3	5.3	3
						1.21	3	2.3	5.3	2.3	1.51	2.3	1.5	8.3	5.3
						1.81	2.3	1.5	8.3	5.3	2.11	2.3	1.5	8.3	5.3
						2.41	2.3	1.5	8.3	5.3	2.72	2.3	1.5	8.3	5.3
						3.02	2.3	4.5	8.3	5.3	3.32	5.3	4.5	7.5	5.3
						3.62	5.3	4.5	7.5	5.3	3.92	5.3	4.5	7.5	5.3
						4.22	5.3	4.5	7.5	5.3	4.53	8.3	7.5	7.5	7.5
						4.84	8.3	7.5	10.5	7.5	5.14	8.3	7.5	10.5	7.5
						5.43	8.3	10.5	10.5	7.5	5.73	8.3	10.5	10.5	7.5
						6.04	8.3	10.5	10.5	7.5	6.34	7.5	10.5	10.5	7.5
						6.64	7.5	10.5	10.5	7.5	6.94	7.5	10.5	9.8	6.8
						7.25	7.5	9.8	9.8	6.8	7.55	7.5	12.8	9.8	6.8
						7.85	7.5	12.8	9.8	6.8	8.15	7.5	12.8	9.8	6.8
						8.46	7.5	12.8	9.8	6.8	8.76	6.8	12.8	9	6.8
						9.05	6.8	12.8	9	9	9.36	9.8	12	9	9
						9.66	9.8	12	9	9	9.97	9.8	12	12	9

any thoughts

 

[Damoegan]

What was the intake temps like when doing these runs?

 

[DPJ]

this was with .75 added timing.... jeseus maybe not

any thoughts

Like I said!!!!!

I think you need to be discussing this with Will.

 

[james walker]

just thought id try, damien suggested it may work...

ill email will and sort it with him.

 

[james walker]

What was the intake temps like when doing these runs?

18-39 degrees intake temp, 4 degrees outside temperature

 

[james walker]

ive had her up on the ramp today to fit the fuel filter, check smic and hoses, all looks ok, fairly liquid and no bubbles so no hairline splits, checked all other hoses,, i can definatly hear a hissing from somewhere, seems to be at the rear of the block, the turbo outlet pipe is ok, tip ok, unless there a bloody small split hiding somewhere, but on the logs boost looks ok, so no suggestion of boost leak.

there seems to be a slight surge low down the revs, but im assuming this is the ecu retarding the timing due to cfs.

only issue i can see are obviously the cfs.

excuse my ignorance but hows the fuelling looking on the second logs guys.

as said i do have a whistle on high boost... not sure if this is normal, think im just hearing stuff for the sake of it now.

starting to pisist me off this now.

will did reply and said fuelling not meeting requested slightly, and inlet temps high. hopefully he will have more input into helping me sort this.

 

[DPJ]

Fueling is leaner than I'd like to see - (but it's what's been requested.) This could also account for CFs.

 

[james walker]

sorry dave could you talk me through that one so i know what im looking for on the fuelling side please

 

[Damoegan]

First lambda raeding is actual fueling and the second is requested fueling.

Fueling could do with a little added in, James.

EDIT: too slow, Dave beat me to it

 

[james walker]

yeah its meeting requested, but is that too lean?? why would that be, and would running lean count for the high cfs all on its own?

 

[Damoegan]

Running lean would cause cf's.

Lambda x 14.7 to give AFR ratio..

 

[james walker]

First lambda raeding is actual fueling and the second is requested fueling.

Fueling could do with a little added in, James.

EDIT: too slow, Dave beat me to it

is that a trip to will then??

 

[Damoegan]

Probs. I know you can adjust fueling with Lemmiwinks/Unisettings but I've not done it before so dont know how to do it....

 

[ibizacupra]

ive had her up on the ramp today to fit the fuel filter, check smic and hoses, all looks ok, fairly liquid and no bubbles so no hairline splits, checked all other hoses,, i can definatly hear a hissing from somewhere, seems to be at the rear of the block, the turbo outlet pipe is ok, tip ok, unless there a bloody small split hiding somewhere, but on the logs boost looks ok, so no suggestion of boost leak.

there seems to be a slight surge low down the revs, but im assuming this is the ecu retarding the timing due to cfs.

only issue i can see are obviously the cfs.

excuse my ignorance but hows the fuelling looking on the second logs guys.

as said i do have a whistle on high boost... not sure if this is normal, think im just hearing stuff for the sake of it now.

starting to pisist me off this now.

will did reply and said fuelling not meeting requested slightly, and inlet temps high. hopefully he will have more input into helping me sort this.

Pressure test your system... it will expose your leaks

 

[ibizacupra]

you could try adding 10% fueling under increasing load and see what that does