Postman Pats Van/Blackpool illuminations/dpf/SEAT(UK)/Stealer/Inaction/Kill/Kill/Kill

naggynoo

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Hi y'all.

Any advice to get stuff moving / legal rights..?

TDi FR, 07 reg with lifelong "dpf problems".

3 lights + limp home just over 3 weeks ago. In to stealers 3 weeks ago. Leon sitting around about 4 days while they fiddled with VAS 5051B which was playing up.
Eventually collected car 2 weeks ago today after a sizeable bill as the VAS showed no faults and needed forced regen (72% block down to 18%).

I Drove 100miles over the weekend First thing monday morning the dpf regen light comes on, on the motorway so I drove straight to Stealer despite the light going out on the exit slipway after 6 miles (driving over dpf regen speeds).

"Leave it with us but were still having problems with the VAS, it might take a few days" and "no we dont have a courtesy car" (so essentially tough sh*t, VERY tough sh*t in rural Cumbria). Got one (Postman Pats van off the Vauxhall forecourt) after a series of heated discussions with various managers.

The VAS is still not working and the Leons still waiting for initial diagnostics after 2 working weeks. To make matters worse the warranty expired last sunday, which everyone was made well aware of, including SEAT Customer Services from the outset.

I have been in touch every day for the last 2 weeks with the Stealers and SEAT Customer services for about 10 days. NOTHING is happenening apart from a stream of steaming b*ll*cks coming back at me down the phone about how everyone is doing their best! I've rung up today and hey, the still faulty but "useable" VAS (which I was promised would arrive by today) isn't there, with no-one but sales staff around (09.30) who knew nothing about... nothing (Shift That Metal!).

I'm pretty sure that as usual this a sensor issue, but my options of getting the car sorted elsewhere (which I suggested on day 1 to the dealers and to customer services later), have now expired with the warranty.

I get the feeling the stealers business priorities have from the outset taken massive priority over mine and that Customer services are probably getting fobbed off as much as I am.

What are my rights re the stealer attending to my Leon "in a reasonable time" and the inaction when everyone knew the warranty was due to expire? How can a SEAT main dealer keep that position if they lack a critical piece of equipment and do nothing to get a working replacement ordered in promptly?

I'm sure I'm not the only person being affected by this issue!

Does anyone have an email address of mangement of SEAT (UK) so I can take things higher up as t'internet (as we say in these parts) seems to be devoid of anything helpful.

Aaaaaargh!!!
 

wjohnson

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Is there no legal requirement to ensure that any product sold by any company is a) Fit for purpose and b) Fit for use ?

Im sure theres some legal bumpf around this somewhere?
 
Sorry to hear your grief, I hope you get it sorted.

Can't really help on the request for contacts at SEAT UK, but if you've not already done so I'd suggest searching on this forum and the TDI forum for all DPF issues and advice. This comes in very handy when arguing with stealers (as I found out) as to how and where you drove the car, driving style, advice followed, etc.

I would assume that the fault was logged when you first took the car in and therefore you will be covered by your warranty? :confused:

Don't forget to ensure you get the ecu software upgrade when the job is finally done.

Different ball game, but I had a similar warranty prob with a Sony Freeview hard-drive / DVD recorder which developed a fault while under warranty; it was "repaired" by a Sony-recommended centre but failed again and the warranty ran out when I took it back to be repaired. The "repair specialists" refused to honour the Sony warranty, so I complained to Sony who sent me a brand new machine. :)

Good luck.
 

BuZZarD73

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I took mine to an independant VAG garage this morning and they suggested the pressure sensor is faulty and to get replaced at the SEAT garage as it needs the software upgrade. Mine is out of warranty too.

They were also talking about how the DPF is simply a mare to live with and how badly flawed it is.
So flawed in fact, that VW are recalling new Passats which have a DPF fitted (unconfirmed by official sources at this time).

I have a post elswhere on these forums and it's been suggested having the DPF deleted - awaiting clarity on what exactly this means....
 

jrsmooth

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I have a post elswhere on these forums and it's been suggested having the DPF deleted - awaiting clarity on what exactly this means....

DPF Delete involves a large bore downpipe / DPF blanking pipe combined with a custom remap to update the software that no DPF is present. THis also means you have no pesky DPF to worry about and the added advantage of around 230BHP 50 - 60MPG depending on your journey/driving.

Gains all round!

:D
 

naggynoo

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Thanks y'all,

Seen your various posts about dpf grief etc and you're right, information helps with all things of a Stealery nature...

Thanks for email addresses, will start bouncing stuff about tomorrow if there's still no definite action forthcoming on the diagnostics front.

Will keep you posted especially if anything useful / interesting happens...
 

naggynoo

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Hi NN. How long have you had the car? You do have some rights indeed. Chuck us a bit more detail and we may be able to help.

Car reg 14/3/07, owned from new various "dpf issues" from 8 months old. At least 5 visits to Stealer with above off the top of my head, usually sensor issues.

Warranty expired last Sun 14/3/10.

Car initially in 2/3/10 out 6/3/10 after regen.
Car back in 9/3/10 after 100miles... Advised of concern of warranty expiry, suggested using alternative service centre 200 yd away as VAS diagnostics compromised with uncertain resolution.
Still there...

SEAT Customer Services contacted Thurs 12/3/10 and informed of concerns re warranty issues then. Tried to get things moving, big push to get to another SEAT repair centre Fri 13/3/10 but no action by SEAT UK until Mon 15/3/10... Too late for any alternative, "sorry mate warranty expired"!

Various tales re status of diagnostics (on premeses, off premeses, back, maybe going off, maybe coming back), all very unclear and uncertain since 9/3/10.

Informed maybe looking at getting hold of 2nd diagnostic unit tail end of last week, being costed etc but all went quiet.

Want any more..?

Thanks
 

BuZZarD73

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Give your local trading standards a call - I recall something about a reocurring fault from within warranty should extend a 'reasonable time' beyond it.
 

naggynoo

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Diagnostics

Hi

Just out of interest, anyone got any idea how often your average SEAT Stealership would use their fixed diagnostic kit (VAS 5051B) per day / week?

How long could they do without it..?

Does over 3 weeks sound reasonable..?

Thanks
 

Robertotoledo

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Legal Rights

Hi y'all.


What are my rights re the stealer attending to my Leon "in a reasonable time" and the inaction when everyone knew the warranty was due to expire?

Aaaaaargh!!!

I think you're going to have a hard time getting anything out under your legal rights.

The Sale of Goods Act requires that goods are of 'satisfactory quality'. What this equates to depends on the type of product, how old it is, how much it cost etc.

Car parts don't get much protection under the act and I've a feeling any protection you get may come down to how long/ how many miles a DPF should last for.

You might have a case for the DPF or whatever (I drive an older tdi so I know little about these things) being faulty but you'll have to prove it. This may be possible if you've got a whole load of receipts showing work has been done on it but it has not corrected the fault. If they've not been able to/ or wanting to tell you what's up this may help to swing tthings in your favour.

Your goods under the Act are protected for up to 5 years. However, the closer to the expiry of this protection, the greater the contribution you must make to the repair.

As I said before, you need to prove the part wasn't of satisfactory quality. This may require an independent engineer's report.

Your warranty expiry is harsh but statutory rights are not dependent on a warranty. If you had issue with the warranty, you would be taking action because of a breach of contract. Given they didn't fix the problem and have given you the run around there may be a case. You could argue they should have fixed the problem under warranty but due to them being useless they didn't.

Apologies for the essay, but I hope it's of some help.
 

OLDOILER

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Car reg 14/3/07, owned from new various "dpf issues" from 8 months old. At least 5 visits to Stealer with above off the top of my head, usually sensor issues.

Warranty expired last Sun 14/3/10.

Car initially in 2/3/10 out 6/3/10 after regen.
Car back in 9/3/10 after 100miles... Advised of concern of warranty expiry, suggested using alternative service centre 200 yd away as VAS diagnostics compromised with uncertain resolution.
Still there...

SEAT Customer Services contacted Thurs 12/3/10 and informed of concerns re warranty issues then. Tried to get things moving, big push to get to another SEAT repair centre Fri 13/3/10 but no action by SEAT UK until Mon 15/3/10... Too late for any alternative, "sorry mate warranty expired"!
Want any more..? Thanks
Being a retired warranty engineer [ not in the Automotive field] if a fault was logged/registered BEFORE warranty expired then it is a valid claim on the Company and they should work FOC on the claim. Im sure if this was the case and you put this to a small claims court you would win, but you must get your time line of events sorted [who/when/what and where] also Seat UK would issue a x ref number for this event, but how you would extract this data I cannot help you. ...................................good luck
 

neilcw

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Hi NN. I bet you've been tearing your hair out over this [:@] You've definitely got a case if they failed to fix it under warranty and you've got the paperwork to prove it. I'm having my DPF removed on Friday because I wanted better performance and I'm working on the basis of "what's not there can't go wrong". What you could do is try for financial compensation and then use the proceeds to get yours removed :D

Just an idea.

Neil
 

OLDOILER

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Hi NN. I'm having my DPF removed on Friday because I wanted better performance and I'm working on the basis of "what's not there can't go wrong". :D

Just an idea. Neil
Who are you going to use?? cos I'm in a simlar situation re DPF But looking for a reliable/sorted remap - the pipe is the easy bit !!
 

neilcw

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Who are you going to use?? cos I'm in a simlar situation re DPF But looking for a reliable/sorted remap - the pipe is the easy bit !!
I'm going to JBS in Chesterfield which is approximately.....quite a long way from Wiltshire! There are people who have travelled down from Scotland though which is further. They have done quite a lot of development work in conjunction with Custom Code as they did have some early issues with sensors but they seem to have overcome those now.

There is still a question mark over whether it is 100% given that some people have experienced hesitation or kangarooing which seems to occur if you've been cruising at low speed for some time and then plant your foot down hard in top gear but this is not exclusive to PD170 engines after DPF removal. I'm sure the pros outweigh the cons so that's why I'm going ahead with it.

Check out this thread for further info: seatcupra.net/forum/showthread.php?t=253484

Sorry I can't do a proper link - I haven't quite clocked up 15 posts yet [:@]
 

OLDOILER

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Jul 28, 2005
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I'm going to JBS in Chesterfield which is approximately.....quite a long way from Wiltshire! There are people who have travelled down from Scotland though which is further. They have done quite a lot of development work in conjunction with Custom Code as they did have some early issues with sensors but they seem to have overcome those now.

There is still a question mark over whether it is 100% given that some people have experienced hesitation or kangarooing which seems to occur if you've been cruising at low speed for some time and then plant your foot down hard in top gear but this is not exclusive to PD170 engines after DPF removal. I'm sure the pros outweigh the cons so that's why I'm going ahead with it.

Check out this thread for further info: seatcupra.net/forum/showthread.php?t=253484

Sorry I can't do a proper link - I haven't quite clocked up 15 posts yet [:@]
Many thanks, that was also the dealer I was thinking of going to too!! Let us all know how you got on. ...............!!
 
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