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Still not happy with the LC...

Sorry if I'm going over old ground/stating obvious - but is your air-filter a standard dry-type or one of those fancy 'oily' air-filters, which can actually deposit their oil into the system, causing rough running (eg, by fouling the MAF, even nice new ones like yours)...?
 
Trouble with VAG.com - apart from the fact it's Windows-based :cartman: - is that it doesn't always detect if a part is starting to fail/not at max efficiency. For example, I had minor running probs with a Mk3 16v GTI; VAG.com said all's well, then a £25 temp sensor failed - replaced it & all was fine again.

Guess you've already tried all other permutations of VAG 1.8T-based forums to ask if anyone else has had same prob...?
 
Mr OCD said:
Well I have a 60 mile round trip to do tonight so I'm going to plug the laptop in and run a load of logs ...

I'm going to log:

Groups:

003 and 118
115 and 020
031 and 032

For Coils:

014 / 015 / 016

That should give me a LOT of info to digest this evening over a beer.

I'm not too happy about doing the runs in 4th gear to redline though ... would 3rd be ok?
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I wouldn't log 031 and 032 together as a pair as they don't log RPM. 115 and 118 do, so for these blocks I'd do 3 runs with:

003 and 020
115 and 031
118 and 032
 
OK... Log time...

All runs done in 3rd gear from 2500rpm to red line ... wanting to retain my licence I wasnt happy doing them in 4th gear.

Groups 003 and 020

Code: 
	Group A:	'003				Group B:	'020			
		Idle speed	Air mass in	Throt Angle	Ignit Angle		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization
	TIME	700-820 rpm	2.0-4.5 g/s	0.2-4.0%	0-12 BTDC	TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	 g/s	%	 °BTDC	STAMP	 CF	 CF	 CF	 CF
	0.59	2760	73.78	100	13.5	1.01	0	0	3	3
	1.5	3320	110.06	100	5.3	1.9	0	0	3	3
	2.3	3760	115.03	100	6.8	2.7	0	0	3	3
	3.12	4160	134.06	100	12	3.52	0	0	2.3	2.3
	3.92	4560	149.89	100	10.5	4.33	3	0	2.3	2.3
	4.83	5000	162.75	100	9.8	5.23	3	3	1.5	2.3
	5.72	5400	168.33	100	12	6.14	3	3	1.5	1.5
	6.64	5760	172.67	100	12	7.04	2.3	2.3	1.5	1.5
	7.45	6040	176.69	100	9.8	7.95	2.3	2.3	0.8	1.5
	8.35	6280	178.14	100	12	8.75	1.5	1.5	0.8	0.8
	9.15	6520	179.83	100	11.3	9.55	0	0	0	0
	10.06	4920	10.56	5.9	4.5	10.44	0	0	0	0
	10.86	3240	5.44	4.3	1.5	11.36	0	0	0	0
	11.76	3240	6.58	4.7	1.5	12.16	0	0	0	0
	12.57	3120	6.89	5.1	1.5	13.07	0	0	0	0
	13.47	3040	7.06	5.1	1.5	13.87	0	0	0	0
	14.27	3000	10.58	7.1	29.3	14.68	0	0	0	0

Groups 115 and 031

Code: 
Group A:	'115				Group B:	'031		
	Engine Speed	Engine Load	Spec. Boost	Actual Boost		Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor	Bin. Bits
TIME	700-6800 RPM	15-150%	990-1800 mbar	<=1800 mbar	TIME			
STAMP	 /min	%	 mbar	 mbar	STAMP			
0.4	2000	88	1510	1250	0.01	0.984	1	        
1.21	2320	121.8	1980	1550	0.8	0.961	1	        
2.01	2680	152.6	2080	1950	1.61	0.992	1	        
2.81	3080	164.7	2020	2040	2.41	0.953	0.953	        
3.61	3440	167.7	2010	2020	3.21	0.852	0.852	        
4.43	3840	161.7	2050	1990	4.03	0.789	0.797	        
5.25	4240	169.9	2060	2070	4.83	0.75	0.789	        
6.14	4680	168.4	2060	2040	5.73	0.75	0.782	        
6.94	5040	169.2	2060	2040	6.54	0.75	0.766	        
7.84	5440	163.2	2100	1970	7.44	0.75	0.688	        
8.76	5800	158.6	2030	1850	8.25	0.75	0.649	        
9.66	6120	149.6	1830	1810	9.16	0.75	0.649	        
10.48	6360	145.9	1640	1800	10.06	0.75	0.649	        
11.28	5640	10.5	1000	1140	10.88	0.899	0.891	        
12.08	4000	12.8	1000	1070	11.68	0.852	0.977	        
12.97	2680	12.8	1000	1040	12.57	1.991	1.047	        
13.98	2320	13.5	1000	1030	13.48	1.991	1.047	        
14.78	2120	12	1000	1030	14.38	1.991	1.047	        
15.6	1960	12.8	1000	1030	15.18	1.991	1.047	        
16.4	1920	13.5	1000	1020	15.98	1.991	1.047	        
17.29	1800	13.5	1000	1020	16.89	1.991	1.047

Groups 118 and 032

Code: 
Group A:	'118				Group B:	'032	
	Engine Speed	Air Temp In	Boost Dut Cyc	Actual Boost		Idle O2 Adapt	Run O2 Adapt
TIME	700-6800 RPM	<=110 C	0-100% 	<=1800 mbar	TIME	-10.1	-10.1
STAMP	 /min	°C	%	 mbar	STAMP	%	%
0.53	2280	34	95.3	1440	0.93	0.8	-8.6
1.33	2600	34	95.3	1830	1.73	0.8	-8.6
2.15	3000	34	77.6	2110	2.65	0.8	-8.6
3.05	3440	35	77.3	2010	3.56	0.8	-8.6
4.05	3880	36	80.8	1990	4.45	0.8	-8.6
4.85	4240	37	83.1	2110	5.27	0.8	-8.6
5.78	4600	39	83.5	2060	6.17	0.8	-8.6
6.58	4960	41	89.8	2030	6.97	0.8	-7.8
7.38	5280	44	95.3	1970	7.88	0.8	-7.8
8.29	5600	47	95.3	1920	8.69	0.8	-7.8
9.19	5880	50	95.3	1880	9.59	0.8	-7.8
9.99	6120	52	75.3	1840	10.39	0.8	-7.8
10.81	6320	54	54.9	1470	11.21	0.8	-8.6
11.6	6400	53	0	1250	12	0.8	-8.6
12.4	5600	50	0	1060	12.8	0.8	-8.6
13.2	3600	48	0	1050	13.72	0.8	-8.6
14.21	2640	46	0	1030	14.61	0.8	-8.6
15.01	2480	45	0	1030	15.41	0.8	-8.6
15.83	2360	45	0	1030	16.23	0.8	-8.6
16.72	2240	45	0	1030	17.12	0.8	-8.6
17.54	2120	45	0	1020	18.02	0.8	-8.6
18.44	1960	44	0	1020	18.84	0.8	-8.6

Groups 002 and 120

Code: 
Group A:	'002				Group B:	'120				Group C:
	Idle speed	Engine load	Inj. period	Air mass in		Engine Speed	Spec Load	Curr Load	ASR Status	
TIME	700-820 rpm	15-25%	2.0 - 4.0 ms	2.0-4.5 g/s	TIME	700-6800 RPM	0-399 Nm	0-260 Nm	active yes/no	TIME
STAMP	 /min	%	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	 /min	 Nm	 Nm		STAMP
0.01	1880	70.7	8.16	30.64	0.5	2040	399.8	178.4	ASR OFF	
0.9	2160	106	11.22	47.08	1.29	2280	399.8	221.5	ASR OFF	
1.7	2480	130.8	13.94	65.89	2.11	2640	399.8	266.6	ASR OFF	
2.51	2840	158.6	17	89.75	3.01	3080	399.8	309.7	ASR OFF	
3.41	3280	163.9	18.7	103.83	3.81	3480	399.8	301.8	ASR OFF	
4.22	3640	163.2	19.72	114.36	4.72	3880	399.8	290.1	ASR OFF	
5.12	4080	166.2	23.46	129.53	5.52	4240	399.8	288.1	ASR OFF	
5.92	4400	166.2	23.46	139.36	6.33	4600	399.8	284.2	ASR OFF	
6.73	4760	166.9	24.14	151.75	7.15	4920	399.8	270.5	ASR OFF	
7.63	5120	164.7	25.84	159.67	8.03	5240	399.8	258.7	ASR OFF	
8.45	5400	160.9	26.86	166	8.94	5600	399.8	243	ASR OFF	
9.34	5720	158.6	27.2	172.75	9.85	5880	399.8	227.4	ASR OFF	
10.37	6000	115.8	18.7	135.14	10.85	6080	399.8	203.8	ASR OFF	
11.26	6120	119.5	19.04	138.86	11.66	5920	399.8	35.3	ASR OFF	
12.06	5360	11.3	1.7	15.94	12.48	4760	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
12.97	4080	12	1.36	9.47	13.47	2840	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
13.87	2760	12.8	0	5.11	14.27	2680	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
14.67	2600	12.8	0	6.5	15.09	2520	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
15.49	2480	12.8	0	6.53	15.89	2440	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
16.29	2400	13.5	0	6.33	16.69	2360	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
17.2	2280	13.5	0	6.14	17.6	2240	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
18	2200	13.5	0	5.86	18.4	2160	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
18.8	2120	12.8	0	5.5	19.31	2080	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
19.71	2080	13.5	0	5.42	20.11	2040	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
20.51	2040	13.5	0	5.33	20.91	2000	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
21.31	1880	13.5	0	5.25	21.71	2040	399.8	70.6	ASR OFF	
22.12	2120	12.8	2.04	4.31	22.62	2000	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
23.02	2040	12.8	0	4.56	23.42	2320	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
23.84	2240	13.5	0	6.03	24.33	2240	399.8	43.1	ASR OFF	
24.73	2640	12.8	2.04	1.72	25.13	3520	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
25.53	3440	12	0	7.97	25.95	3400	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
26.46	3400	23.3	3.4	16.56	26.94	3320	399.8	5.9	ASR OFF	
27.36	3160	12.8	1.7	7.11	27.75	2800	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
28.25	1920	39.8	4.76	14.75	28.65	1720	399.8	54.9	ASR OFF	
29.05	1720	35.3	4.08	11.97	29.47	1720	399.8	51	ASR OFF	
29.87	1760	32.3	3.74	11.06	30.27	1760	399.8	43.1	ASR OFF	
30.67	1720	16.5	2.04	2	31.07	1720	399.8	3.9	ASR OFF	
31.47	1720	12.8	1.7	4.08	31.87	1720	399.8	0	ASR OFF	
32.28	1720	12	1.7	4.11	32.68	1680	399.8	0	ASR OFF

Comments? :D
 
Missed the coil packs...

Code: 
	Group A:	'014				Group B:	'015			
		Engine Speed	Engine Load	Misfire Counter	Misfire Recog		Cyl 1 Count	Cyl 2 Count	Cyl 3 Count	Misfire Recog
	TIME					TIME				
Marker	STAMP	 /min	%			STAMP				
	0.4	2640	107.5	0	Disabled	0.01	0	0	0	Disabled
	1.2	3000	162.4	0	Disabled	0.8	0	0	0	Enabled
	2.02	3400	168.4	0	Enabled	1.6	0	0	0	Enabled
	2.82	3800	164.7	0	Enabled	2.41	0	0	0	Enabled
	3.61	4160	167.7	0	Enabled	3.21	0	0	0	Enabled
	4.43	4520	165.4	0	Enabled	4.01	0	0	0	Enabled
	5.42	5000	168.4	0	Enabled	4.94	0	0	0	Enabled
	6.24	5320	164.7	0	Enabled	5.84	0	0	0	Enabled
	7.05	5640	160.9	0	Enabled	6.64	0	0	0	Enabled
	7.95	5960	154.9	0	Enabled	7.55	0	0	0	Enabled
	8.94	6280	150.4	0	Enabled	8.46	0	0	0	Enabled
	9.76	6360	106.8	0	Enabled	9.36	0	0	0	Enabled
	10.56	5320	11.3	0	Disabled	10.16	0	0	0	Disabled
	11.47	3240	12	0	Disabled	10.96	0	0	0	Disabled
	12.27	3080	12	0	Disabled	11.87	0	0	0	Disabled
	13.17	2960	12.8	0	Disabled	12.77	0	0	0	Disabled
	14.08	2800	12.8	0	Disabled	13.58	0	0	0	Disabled
	14.88	2680	12.8	0	Disabled	14.48	0	0	0	Disabled
 
caveo said:
If its still jerky try servicing the 007p ( i think theres a guide on forges web site ) , It may be sticking slightly.
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But its brand new... as in done less than 200-300 miles since I fitted it!!

The car got worse as I did the logs... felt like the power was cutting in and out and was struggling to rev past 6000rpm...

Do the timing figures and O2 figures look ok?
 
mid range from 4k rpm seems ok... its from 2500 to 3800rpm where the car is not happy although towards the end of the rpm range - 6000rpm + it seemed very reluctant...
 
Mr OCD said:
mid range from 4k rpm seems ok... its from 2500 to 3800rpm where the car is not happy although towards the end of the rpm range - 6000rpm + it seemed very reluctant...
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if it is jerking from 2500 to 3800rpm, I would say that is when the load or boost is at its strongest, just after the initial spool up

I would hazrd a guess that the turbo intake pipe is collapsing. The only way to see this might be on a RR and getting the tuner i.e. Awesome in this case to have a look and see if it does this

common problem on the Leons with the pipe collapsing. Once it gets quite old it becomes weaker and as you are mapped, this will almost certianly show up this issue with the extra pressue being put onto this pipe

I know it's becoming a money pit, but get Awesome to check this first, and if it is, then you will need something like the Forge TIP, which is about £120

but thats a cheap price to pay in order to resolve your issue mate

if that is the problem, then I can't imagine the issue to be the coils now. although certianly replacing them will smooth out any jerkyness anyway like it did with mine

let us know how you get on at Awesome on Wed
 
jamiebennett81 said:
if it is jerking from 2500 to 3800rpm, I would say that is when the load or boost is at its strongest, just after the initial spool up

I would hazrd a guess that the turbo intake pipe is collapsing. The only way to see this might be on a RR and getting the tuner i.e. Awesome in this case to have a look and see if it does this

common problem on the Leons with the pipe collapsing. Once it gets quite old it becomes weaker and as you are mapped, this will almost certianly show up this issue with the extra pressue being put onto this pipe

I know it's becoming a money pit, but get Awesome to check this first, and if it is, then you will need something like the Forge TIP, which is about £120

but thats a cheap price to pay in order to resolve your issue mate

if that is the problem, then I can't imagine the issue to be the coils now. although certianly replacing them will smooth out any jerkyness anyway like it did with mine

let us know how you get on at Awesome on Wed
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I did wonder about the TIP - as they were on a weakness on my old car ... I dont mind coughing up £120 as long as it FIXES the car :D

Trouble is awesome will want about £100 + VAT to put it on the rolling road + diagnosis charge + cost of the TIP if it needs it = lots of money :doh::doh:

From the coil figures you can see I'm not getting any misfires mate... :confused:
 
LEE69 said:
If you have tried everything and are now at a loss, maybe a new TIP is on the cards anyway ;)
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Well the only things I havent tried thinking about it are:

- N249 modification?
- Coil Packs
- Uprated TIP

But like said earlier I dont want to throw money at it just guessing at the problems... and I'm not keen on modifying it for the sake of it - the car is fast enough with the remap and for excitement I use the crotch rocket... ;)
 
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