Theoretical question: Mk4 Golf GTi Vs LCR
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The mk4 did have a bit of class to it (even if the Leon's a more obvious sporty proposition)...
But this was ruined by (deep breath) Mum-insured, 1.4s with (yawwwn) 18 inch RS4 alloys that were sooo common that i started to believe they were standard issue...
rant aside... golf on looks - leon on drive.
But this was ruined by (deep breath) Mum-insured, 1.4s with (yawwwn) 18 inch RS4 alloys that were sooo common that i started to believe they were standard issue...
rant aside... golf on looks - leon on drive.
looks wise mk4 is better than leon as standard but my03 cupra and r much better looking vehicles toledo v bora, bora wins.
mk4 critics said gti became a spec level not a flagship due to 2.0 and 150 1.8t although i believe 180 1.8t was availble b4 anniversary not sure how they worked that though.
1.8t engine so many specs, lcr same set up as s3 n tt by throttle body,turbo and twin intercoolers, stronger block n pistons although tt also came with 180 version
mk4 critics said gti became a spec level not a flagship due to 2.0 and 150 1.8t although i believe 180 1.8t was availble b4 anniversary not sure how they worked that though.
1.8t engine so many specs, lcr same set up as s3 n tt by throttle body,turbo and twin intercoolers, stronger block n pistons although tt also came with 180 version
Interesting stuff.
I have a MKIV Golf which was our family car. Very ordinary but well built. Sitting behind the wheel is a better experience IMO.The dash amd the materials are of better construction.
My car has the full Recaro interior and unfortunately it was not a Anniversary model so I had to improve it's conservative looks for my own desire.
My track car I sold therefore the Golf was a good base to improve.
It is now on par if not quicker than on Cupra R especially on track with what I've done to the car.
It has been quite costly even though I am still using s stock turbo.
Buying a Cupra R initially some 5 years ago would have been the right way to go as the car has such a better spec. Having said that it would have cost me more than a new Golf.
Modding cars certainly is ok when you intend keeping the car but it is a finacial loss if selling. The MK4 Golf certainly suffered with large scale production and company car usage. The MK5 GTI seems to be a better resolved car but at a cost.
The mechanicals on the 1.8T can always be improved.
I have a MKIV Golf which was our family car. Very ordinary but well built. Sitting behind the wheel is a better experience IMO.The dash amd the materials are of better construction.
My car has the full Recaro interior and unfortunately it was not a Anniversary model so I had to improve it's conservative looks for my own desire.
My track car I sold therefore the Golf was a good base to improve.
It is now on par if not quicker than on Cupra R especially on track with what I've done to the car.
It has been quite costly even though I am still using s stock turbo.
Buying a Cupra R initially some 5 years ago would have been the right way to go as the car has such a better spec. Having said that it would have cost me more than a new Golf.
Modding cars certainly is ok when you intend keeping the car but it is a finacial loss if selling. The MK4 Golf certainly suffered with large scale production and company car usage. The MK5 GTI seems to be a better resolved car but at a cost.
The mechanicals on the 1.8T can always be improved.
Interesting stuff.
I have a MKIV Golf which was our family car. Very ordinary but well built. Sitting behind the wheel is a better experience IMO.The dash amd the materials are of better construction.
My car has the full Recaro interior and unfortunately it was not a Anniversary model so I had to improve it's conservative looks for my own desire.
My track car I sold therefore the Golf was a good base to improve.
It is now on par if not quicker than on Cupra R especially on track with what I've done to the car.
It has been quite costly even though I am still using s stock turbo.
Buying a Cupra R initially some 5 years ago would have been the right way to go as the car has such a better spec. Having said that it would have cost me more than a new Golf.
Modding cars certainly is ok when you intend keeping the car but it is a finacial loss if selling. The MK4 Golf certainly suffered with large scale production and company car usage. The MK5 GTI seems to be a better resolved car but at a cost.
As for which is better from a performance viewpoint as a stock car the answer is obvious...Cupra R....as for looks it's personal choice...some older people like a more conservative approach.
Ian
I have a MKIV Golf which was our family car. Very ordinary but well built. Sitting behind the wheel is a better experience IMO.The dash amd the materials are of better construction.
My car has the full Recaro interior and unfortunately it was not a Anniversary model so I had to improve it's conservative looks for my own desire.
My track car I sold therefore the Golf was a good base to improve.
It is now on par if not quicker than on Cupra R especially on track with what I've done to the car.
It has been quite costly even though I am still using s stock turbo.
Buying a Cupra R initially some 5 years ago would have been the right way to go as the car has such a better spec. Having said that it would have cost me more than a new Golf.
Modding cars certainly is ok when you intend keeping the car but it is a finacial loss if selling. The MK4 Golf certainly suffered with large scale production and company car usage. The MK5 GTI seems to be a better resolved car but at a cost.
As for which is better from a performance viewpoint as a stock car the answer is obvious...Cupra R....as for looks it's personal choice...some older people like a more conservative approach.
Ian
Everyone seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick. My brother has the early Golf 4 GTI which came with 150bhp. It was chipped by AMD to 196bhp then he added the high flow cat and system by Miltek so it is around the 210 mark. My LC is as quick off the mark due to the lower ratios in the 6 speed box. I cannot believe that the more lag of the LCR would make it any slower as this would defeat the purpose of making the LCR as it would then be slower than the LC????
the lag of the lcr would only cause it to lose out using low revs, drivin the lc n lcr has made it obviouse how much lag there is, in a drag race the lcr would diminish the difference the lag would cause by how much grunt u get when the turbo comes in, but on the track i believe the lcr would be the more inspirin to drive but to get the jump out the corner u would need to be at at least 3200 rpm
whenever they mentioned the leon on top gear they never seemed to have a good thing to say about it. if i remember correctly they put a LCR up against some other hatches and richard hammond called it something like the seat leon cupra thingy. i can't see why they seem to dislike it as i've always thought the LCR was worthy of a feature on top gear. 
I've made a thread recently comparing the Seat Leon Cupra 180 Remapped VS a standard LCR.
Now, in terms of power, the Remapped Golf would be the exact same as an LCR for straight line performance. The only time you'll notice a difference, is when the speed rises to double the speed limit.
Other than this, there nearly identical for performance.
Now, in terms of power, the Remapped Golf would be the exact same as an LCR for straight line performance. The only time you'll notice a difference, is when the speed rises to double the speed limit.
Other than this, there nearly identical for performance.
I turned down a Mk4 Golft GTi 180, Anniversary for a Leon. My opinion after several test-drives in the Golf was that it had bad handling.
In standard form, I believe the Leon would take the edge time and time again, in fact, it'd out-perform and steal precious distance everytime there was a corner.
In standard form, I believe the Leon would take the edge time and time again, in fact, it'd out-perform and steal precious distance everytime there was a corner.
it will be intresting if they feature the new one tho
they should but they never feature seat,
but i bet they will do the Corsa VXR!
There was a post a little while back that listed all the Top Gear power lap times. The LCR was marginally quicker than the MkIV Golf R32 (I checked because my mate has one and reckoned it would destroy my LCR round a track......before I showed him that). That Golf is 237 bhp with 4wd so I think that suggests the handling/setup on MkIV Golfs is just not as good as on LCRs
Couldn't find the post but here is the list. There are 2 R32 times. I'm assuming the slower one is the MIV time and the quicker is the MkIV. In fact the 3 second difference between the MkIV and MkV is quite surprising considering they have the same engine (although in the MkV it is about 10bhp more powerful).
1. 1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX (w/TG wing)
2. 1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
3. 1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
4. 1.19.0 – Enzo Ferrari
5. 1:19.5 – Ariel Atom 2 300
6. 1:19.8 – Porsche Carrera GT
7. 1:20.4 – Koenigsegg CCX (Original)5
8. 1:20.7 – Ascari KZ1
9. 1:20.9 – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
10. 1:21.9 – Ford GT
11. 1:22.3 – Ferrari 360 CS
12. 1:22.3 – Porsche 911 GT3 RS
13. 1:22.4 – Chevrolet Corvette Z06
14. 1:22.5 – Noble M15
15. 1:22.6 – Westfield XTR25
16. 1:22.9 – Ferrari F430 F1
17. 1:23.2 – Ferrari F430 Spider F1
18. 1:23.7 – Lamborghini Murciélago
19. 1:23.8 – Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.31
20. 1:23.9 – Koenigsegg CC8S
21. 1:24.3 – Prodrive P2
22. 1:24.6 – TVR Sagaris
23. 1:24.8 – Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-400
24. 1:24.8 – TVR Tuscan Mk.II
25. 1:25.0 – Noble M12 GTO-3R
26. 1:25.1 – Lotus Exige S
27. 1:25.7 – Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder
28. 1:25.8 – Lamborghini Gallardo2
29. 1:25.9 – Morgan Aero 8 GTN
30. 1:26.0 – BMW Z4 M Roadster
31. 1:26.0 – Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-320
32. 1:26.2 – BMW M5
33. 1:26.4 – Lotus Exige1
34. 1:26.7 – Porsche Cayman S
35. 1:26.8 – Chevrolet Corvette
36. 1:26.8 – Ferrari 575M Maranello HGTC
37. 1:26.9 – Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG
38. 1:27.1 – Aston Martin Vanquish S
39. 1:27.1 – Aston Martin DB9
40. 1:27.2 – Porsche 911 GT32
41. 1:27.3 – Spyker C8 Spyder
42. 1:27.5 – TVR T350c
43. 1:27.9 – Wiesmann MF 3
44. 1:28.0 – BMW M3 CSL2
45. 1:28.2 – Marcos TSO GT2
46. 1:28.5 – Dodge Viper SRT-102
47. 1:28.6 – MG XPower SV
48. 1:28.7 – Porsche Boxster S
49. 1:28.9 – Porsche 911 Carrera S3
50. 1:28.9 – Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII5
51. 1:29.0 – Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG
52. 1:29.0 – Alpina V8 Roadster2
53. 1:29.0 – Lamborghini Murciélago1, 5
54. 1:29.4 – Subaru Impreza WRX STi WR-1
55. 1:30.0 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 3.7
56. 1:30.1 – Subaru Impreza WRX STi5
57. 1:30.1 – Vauxhall Monaro VXR
58. 1:30.4 – Aston Martin DB7 GT
59. 1:30.4 – Volkswagen Golf R32
60. 1:30.9 – Audi S4 quattro 4.2
61. 1:31.0 – Porsche 911 Turbo2
62. 1:31.3 – Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
63. 1:31.6 – Honda NSX Type-R2
64. 1:31.8 – BMW M3
65. 1:31.8 – BMW 535d
66. 1:31.8 – Nissan 350Z
67. 1:31.8 – Mazda RX-8
68. 1:31.9 – BMW 130i
69. 1:32.2 – Ford Focus RS
70. 1:32.2 – Mazda6 MPS
71. 1:32.5 – Lotus Esprit V8
72. 1:32.5 – Renaultsport Mégane 225 Cup
73. 1:32.7 – Audi TT quattro 3.2
74. 1:32.8 – Modernized Jaguar E-Type
75. 1:32.8 – Facelifted Honda Civic Type-R
76. 1:32.9 – SEAT León Cupra R
77. 1:32.9 – Mercedes-Benz SLK350
78. 1:33.0 – Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG2
79. 1:33.0 – Vauxhall Astra VXR
80. 1:33.1 – Noble M12 GTO2
81. 1:33.3 – Volkswagen Golf R32
82. 1:33.3 – Cadillac CTS-V2
83. 1:33.7 – MG ZT 260
84. 1:33.8 – Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup
85. 1:33.9 – Holden Monaro2
86. 1:34.0 - Renaultsport Mégane 225
87. 1:34.2 – MINI Cooper S Works
88. 1:34.5 – Ford Mondeo ST220
89. 1:34.9 – Ford Focus ST4
90. 1:35.0 – Volvo S60 R
91. 1:35.1 – Volkswagen Golf GTI
92. 1:35.2 – Ferrari 575M Maranello3,5
93. 1:35.3 – Vauxhall Vectra VXR
94. 1:35.6 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
95. 1:35.6 – Lotus Elise2
96. 1:35.8 – Citroen C4 VTS
97. 1:36.2 – Aston Martin V12 Vanquish3,5
98. 1:36.2 – Renault Clio3
99. 1:36.5 – Honda Civic Type-R
100. 1.37.0 – Porsche Boxster2
101. 1.37.3 – BMW Z4 3.0i2
102. 1.37.4 – Honda S20002
103. 1:37.9 – Saab 9-5 HOT Aero
104. 1:38.0 – Maserati 3200 GT2
105. 1:39.4 – Bowler Wildcat
106. 1:40.8 – Bentley Arnage T2
107. 1:44.0 – Overfinch 580 S2
108. 1:46.0 – Aston Martin DB5
1. 1:17.6 – Koenigsegg CCX (w/TG wing)
2. 1:18.4 – Pagani Zonda F
3. 1:18.9 – Maserati MC12
4. 1.19.0 – Enzo Ferrari
5. 1:19.5 – Ariel Atom 2 300
6. 1:19.8 – Porsche Carrera GT
7. 1:20.4 – Koenigsegg CCX (Original)5
8. 1:20.7 – Ascari KZ1
9. 1:20.9 – Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
10. 1:21.9 – Ford GT
11. 1:22.3 – Ferrari 360 CS
12. 1:22.3 – Porsche 911 GT3 RS
13. 1:22.4 – Chevrolet Corvette Z06
14. 1:22.5 – Noble M15
15. 1:22.6 – Westfield XTR25
16. 1:22.9 – Ferrari F430 F1
17. 1:23.2 – Ferrari F430 Spider F1
18. 1:23.7 – Lamborghini Murciélago
19. 1:23.8 – Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.31
20. 1:23.9 – Koenigsegg CC8S
21. 1:24.3 – Prodrive P2
22. 1:24.6 – TVR Sagaris
23. 1:24.8 – Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-400
24. 1:24.8 – TVR Tuscan Mk.II
25. 1:25.0 – Noble M12 GTO-3R
26. 1:25.1 – Lotus Exige S
27. 1:25.7 – Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder
28. 1:25.8 – Lamborghini Gallardo2
29. 1:25.9 – Morgan Aero 8 GTN
30. 1:26.0 – BMW Z4 M Roadster
31. 1:26.0 – Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-320
32. 1:26.2 – BMW M5
33. 1:26.4 – Lotus Exige1
34. 1:26.7 – Porsche Cayman S
35. 1:26.8 – Chevrolet Corvette
36. 1:26.8 – Ferrari 575M Maranello HGTC
37. 1:26.9 – Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG
38. 1:27.1 – Aston Martin Vanquish S
39. 1:27.1 – Aston Martin DB9
40. 1:27.2 – Porsche 911 GT32
41. 1:27.3 – Spyker C8 Spyder
42. 1:27.5 – TVR T350c
43. 1:27.9 – Wiesmann MF 3
44. 1:28.0 – BMW M3 CSL2
45. 1:28.2 – Marcos TSO GT2
46. 1:28.5 – Dodge Viper SRT-102
47. 1:28.6 – MG XPower SV
48. 1:28.7 – Porsche Boxster S
49. 1:28.9 – Porsche 911 Carrera S3
50. 1:28.9 – Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII5
51. 1:29.0 – Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG
52. 1:29.0 – Alpina V8 Roadster2
53. 1:29.0 – Lamborghini Murciélago1, 5
54. 1:29.4 – Subaru Impreza WRX STi WR-1
55. 1:30.0 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA 3.7
56. 1:30.1 – Subaru Impreza WRX STi5
57. 1:30.1 – Vauxhall Monaro VXR
58. 1:30.4 – Aston Martin DB7 GT
59. 1:30.4 – Volkswagen Golf R32
60. 1:30.9 – Audi S4 quattro 4.2
61. 1:31.0 – Porsche 911 Turbo2
62. 1:31.3 – Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
63. 1:31.6 – Honda NSX Type-R2
64. 1:31.8 – BMW M3
65. 1:31.8 – BMW 535d
66. 1:31.8 – Nissan 350Z
67. 1:31.8 – Mazda RX-8
68. 1:31.9 – BMW 130i
69. 1:32.2 – Ford Focus RS
70. 1:32.2 – Mazda6 MPS
71. 1:32.5 – Lotus Esprit V8
72. 1:32.5 – Renaultsport Mégane 225 Cup
73. 1:32.7 – Audi TT quattro 3.2
74. 1:32.8 – Modernized Jaguar E-Type
75. 1:32.8 – Facelifted Honda Civic Type-R
76. 1:32.9 – SEAT León Cupra R
77. 1:32.9 – Mercedes-Benz SLK350
78. 1:33.0 – Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG2
79. 1:33.0 – Vauxhall Astra VXR
80. 1:33.1 – Noble M12 GTO2
81. 1:33.3 – Volkswagen Golf R32
82. 1:33.3 – Cadillac CTS-V2
83. 1:33.7 – MG ZT 260
84. 1:33.8 – Renaultsport Clio 182 Cup
85. 1:33.9 – Holden Monaro2
86. 1:34.0 - Renaultsport Mégane 225
87. 1:34.2 – MINI Cooper S Works
88. 1:34.5 – Ford Mondeo ST220
89. 1:34.9 – Ford Focus ST4
90. 1:35.0 – Volvo S60 R
91. 1:35.1 – Volkswagen Golf GTI
92. 1:35.2 – Ferrari 575M Maranello3,5
93. 1:35.3 – Vauxhall Vectra VXR
94. 1:35.6 – Alfa Romeo 147 GTA
95. 1:35.6 – Lotus Elise2
96. 1:35.8 – Citroen C4 VTS
97. 1:36.2 – Aston Martin V12 Vanquish3,5
98. 1:36.2 – Renault Clio3
99. 1:36.5 – Honda Civic Type-R
100. 1.37.0 – Porsche Boxster2
101. 1.37.3 – BMW Z4 3.0i2
102. 1.37.4 – Honda S20002
103. 1:37.9 – Saab 9-5 HOT Aero
104. 1:38.0 – Maserati 3200 GT2
105. 1:39.4 – Bowler Wildcat
106. 1:40.8 – Bentley Arnage T2
107. 1:44.0 – Overfinch 580 S2
108. 1:46.0 – Aston Martin DB5
Just looking at some of the above I am lost for words. How can the Golf GTi with it overly praised chassis and grip be SO far behind the LCR when it puts its power down so much better. OK so there is weight and the issue of 25 horses at play but even still, from all the hype you would expect the Golf to be able to match the Leon as the Civic has done.
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