VW 504 00 vs 507 00

[Mr Pig]

According to the book, petrol engines use 504 and diesel ones use 507. However, when I buy oil at the VW/Audi parts centre they give me 507 irrespective of the type of engine!

What is the difference between these oils and can 507 be used safely in place of 504? I hope so, as I've been unwittingly doing it!

Thank you.

 

[BigJase88]

507 is superior oil and is longlife. 504 wont be longlife

 

[bgb]

According to the book, petrol engines use 504 and diesel ones use 507. However, when I buy oil at the VW/Audi parts centre they give me 507 irrespective of the type of engine!

What is the difference between these oils and can 507 be used safely in place of 504? I hope so, as I've been unwittingly doing it!

Thank you.

If you open the bonnet it will have the spec on a plate near front grill. But I agree with you, my oil spec is 507/504 regardless and even says both on my top up bottle!

 

[Mr Pig]

So I can just use 507 for both the diesel and petrol cars? Excent. Keeps life simple :0) Thank you.

 

[RUM4MO]

https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php

Strangely while it lists 504 for petrol engines, it does not list 507 for petrol engines, maybe there is or is not a reason for that or that listing is wrong. There are a few online explanations of VW Group engine oil specs I think, maybe more info elsewhere than the one I linked to.

Edit:- though Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30, which I use, claims to be 504 and 507 compliant, so I'd probably believe that info provided by Mobil before the "official" looking site I linked to above - though probably that link above does not necessary disagree with the Mobil website.

 

[cupra14]

Looking in D3E804FD4C3.pdf (the Maintenance manual), at its page 106 (page 112 in my PDF viewer), the table is ... er, well see for yourself...

They don't seem to want VW 507 in a petrol engine.

I think I like that oilspecifications.org article more.

 

[Mr Pig]

They don't seem to want VW 507 in a petrol engine.

Any idea why? LIke I say, I've been given 507 for petrol engines several times by the approved supplier who is looking up the reg of the car.

 

[TheSwede]

507 is superior oil and is longlife. 504 wont be longlife

Sorry but this not right.

So I can just use 507 for both the diesel and petrol cars? Excent. Keeps life simple :0) Thank you.

504.00 LL3 for petrol 507.00 LL3 for diesel is the same oil and same item no from the supplier (So far Always listed together on the oil can what I have seen). Both classifications are long life oils.

/Peter

 

[Mr Pig]

504.00 LL3 for petrol 507.00 LL3 for diesel is the same oil and same item no from the supplier

Why do they do that? If the two oils are the same, why give them two different numbers?

 

[TheSwede]

Why do they do that? If the two oils are the same, why give them two different numbers?

I also wonder. In any case I use 5w-30 504.00/507.00 for all cars in our family when I do oil/filter changes (5 VAG cars).

 

[BigJase88]

Sorry but this not right.



504.00 LL3 for petrol 507.00 LL3 for diesel is the same oil and same item no from the supplier (So far Always listed together on the oil can what I have seen). Both classifications are long life oils.

/Peter

My bad took a guess on that

it used to be diesels PD’s needed 505.01 then 507 came out and that was superior to the 505.01 and covered it so just assumed the 504 was same scenario.

obv not. I have used 507 in petrols no bother but i think most 507’s list 504/507 anyways

 

[Mr Pig]

I've been burnin' up the internet trying to find out what the difference is between 504 and 507 and I've found nothin'. I also can't find anything to say that they are the same and are interchangeable. 504 is always listed for petrol, 507 always for diesel.

 

[bgb]

https://applications.castrol.com/oilselector/en_gb/c/search

Will give you a good indication and probably match the info plate in your engine bay!

My 2litre GTD was 504/507 and my 2litre Cupra is also, 504/507. Seems the oil is specially designed for both engine fuel types.

 

[RUM4MO]

It could be that while the 504.00 and 507.00 specs are slightly different, in reality oils can be made to satisfy both specs at the same time, and for convenience oil companies have designed an engine oil that covers both VW specs - while out in the wider world, some 504.00 spec oils do not meet with the later 507.00 VW engine oil specs, ie maybe some earlier 504.00 oils - or may not have been submitted for formal testing for compliance to the 507.00 engine oil spec.

 

[TheSwede]

It could be that while the 504.00 and 507.00 specs are slightly different, in reality oils can be made to satisfy both specs at the same time, and for convenience oil companies have designed an engine oil that covers both VW specs - while out in the wider world, some 504.00 spec oils do not meet with the later 507.00 VW engine oil specs, ie maybe some earlier 504.00 oils - or may not have been submitted for formal testing for compliance to the 507.00 engine oil spec.

Yes, sounds reasonable.

 

[bgb]

It could be that while the 504.00 and 507.00 specs are slightly different, in reality oils can be made to satisfy both specs at the same time, and for convenience oil companies have designed an engine oil that covers both VW specs - while out in the wider world, some 504.00 spec oils do not meet with the later 507.00 VW engine oil specs, ie maybe some earlier 504.00 oils - or may not have been submitted for formal testing for compliance to the 507.00 engine oil spec.

( https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/vw_motor_oil_specifications_explained.php )

It would seem the identities of 504/507 specs are the same or incorporate the traits of each other etc

 

[RUM4MO]

Yes that was the same link I included in an earlier posting, really what I had hoped to find was a VW engine oils spec historical listing with what/why the changes were in terms of effectiveness to the engine operation/life - I thought that I had found that in the past, though maybe not too relevant wrt are these 504/507 engine oils okay for use in petrol engines - just maybe of interest to some people - maybe.

 

[bgb]

I did read somewhere, it was due to engines with PPF and DPF etc. I can't find the website now annoyingly..

 

[bgb]

https://www.my-gti.com/7/volkswagen-oils-50400-and-50700

From that, and the same words plastered on every other Google link lol, I take it the Oils are nowadays manufactured to incorporate the same standards be it diesel or petrol.

This only looks to apply to newer engines (Euro5+), and I would guess that's due to the cleaner running capabilities!

 

[The Daily Meme]

I did read somewhere, it was due to engines with PPF and DPF etc. I can't find the website now annoyingly..

This makes sense

Coming from a background in motoroil chemistry, I can confirm that oils can have the same functional properties but be chemically different from each other. With respect to the quoted post, oils made for diesel engines will more often than not, contain low SAPS compounds. That is sulphated ash, phosphorus and sulphur.

A low-SAPS motor oil is an oil with a low proportion of sulphate ash, phosphorus and sulphur. These oils are also designated “low-ash” due to their low tendency to ash formation. Particularly useful in modern cars with a DPF! Stops your DPF from clogging up so quickly and prolongs the life of catalytic converters.

Whilst this sounds like a great idea, High SAPS oils are easier to make, and thus tend to be used in petrol engines where the requirement for low ash is not as high. However, with the introduction of GPF. I imagine we will see more cars requiring Low-SAPS motor oils.

Based on the above, and the below flow chart, it would appear there is some chemical difference between 507 and 504 that would impact the longevity of the DPF. I would say it is safe to put 507 into a petrol car, but not the ther way around.

Below is more supporting information about the importance of SAPS between the two oils.

VW 504.00
The VW 504 00 specification superceedes the VW 503 00 and VW 503.01 specifications. VW 504 00 oils are suitable for engines meeting the demands of Euro 4 emissions standards.

VW 507.00
Low SAPS oils suitable for Euro 4 engines and almost all VAG diesel engines from 2000 onwards with extended service intervals, unitary injector pumps and also Pumpe-Düse ("PD") engines. Excludes V10, R5 engines and VW Commercial vehicles without fitted DPF (diesel particulate filters) – these must use a 506 01 specification oil.