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Cupra 180 K04 kit vs LCR

Mitchy said:
Snoopie, ive been to quite a few rolling roads mate and im clever enough to know awesome have problems with calculating flywheel figures.

Take your car to JBS and get it tested, they'll give you a good ''accurate'' figure.

If you were to believe the results from awesome you would believe 7-8bhp losses were normal.

Go to any other RR and youll have 35-40bhp losses.

Thats for sure:)

Phone jabba and ask them the limit for a K04 turbo, then phone JBS and ask them, then phone vagtech and ask them. All better qualified and better than me and you bigging it up down the pub with bhp talk.

I guarantee 275-285bhp max limit:)

A mapped K04 LCR will pull a huge gap on a standard 180bhp LC from 30-120 and then well beyond that.
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Oh really? So why is it, all the standard cars, on Awesome GTI's make the standard manufacturer figures...?
I've never heard anybody quote so much :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Okay snoopie, your right im wrong:doh:

PHONE JABBASPORT!! PHONE JBS!!! PHONE VAGTECH!!!

All 1.8T specialists, much better qualified than me or you:D

Answer me 1 thing why do stage 1 remapped LCR's get 230-235bhp at flywheel on awesomes rollers?

Are they not 225bhp out of the factory?

How do companies get away with advertising 40-50bhp gains when in fact they only get 5-10bhp:lol:

Do you think you would feel a 5-10bhp gain?

Have you sat in a standard LCR, then sat in a remapped car straight after? I can tell you for now the difference is far more than 5-10bhp;)

Im not going to argue with you snoopie, you've obviously got a lot of learning to do.

If you dont believe me try a google search on transmission losses, i think you'll find FWD cars are usually in the range of 15-18%. You do the maths and report back:)

I mean the whole of google cant be wrong can it:blink:

273whp does not equal 280bhp at flywheel. Do the calculations and you will find that is a 2.5% transmission loss.

Not even formula 1 manages that:lol: ;)

Im not discussing the subject further, you believe what you want, ill believe what i want;)
 
Yes. I have had a standard LCR. A few extra modifications and a Remap on top. Went to JKM ... Rolling roaded at 234hp, and my car was a 210....
The difference, doesn't have to be 'dyno lottery' all the time. It is the way the car feels, and as I've stated twice already, my cars improvements were progressive, and the way I wanted it too feel.
It just get's boring, when you hear someone going on about getting 280hp from a remap, when It's not possible.

Ok. So you claim Awesome GTI's website and figures are wrong. They must be wrong. But the standard cars, make the standard figures.

Let's try another rolling road where the figures for standard cars make manufacturers quotes. JKM. There rollers must be wrong aswell. Oh, and Marlin's rolling road, and ... and ....

I've got a lot of learning to do? Your telling that to someone who has had exactly what you've described.

Go on, I've asked you once already, to provide me with a graph, of where 'JUST' a remapped LCR can make 280hp.
 
A remap will not give 280bhp and i have never once stated that it would! The turbos max flow rate is 280bhp snoopie.

265bhp from a remap more like.

Exhaust/induction and FMIC will boost this upto 280bhp

Who are JKM? Never heard of them as being top 1.8T tuners? Same with marlin?

I do believe awesome give good wheel figures and if you use common knowledge and add the transmission loss on top (35-40bhp) it does give a figure around the 265-280bhp mark the majority of the time.

What were your wheel figures at JKM? Why are they so different to awesome's?

I mean if your only getting 190 odd at JKM and 230-240 at awesome then somethings wrong wouldn't you agree?
 
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Snoopie said:
How can you have a debate with a wall :confused:
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no wall mate. read mitchys post. perhaps you could try the advice and contact the experts?

mind you statements youve made about my car on other threads... perhaps you are an expert?


anyways back on topic.

standard lc brakes can be improved heaps with better pads and fluid... might be enough if aiming sub 300. suspensions important tho imo. standard its a bit bouncy for that power lvl.
best of luck mate
 
traumapat said:
no wall mate. read mitchys post. perhaps you could try the advice and contact the experts?

mind you statements youve made about my car on other threads... perhaps you are an expert?


anyways back on topic.

standard lc brakes can be improved heaps with better pads and fluid... might be enough if aiming sub 300. suspensions important tho imo. standard its a bit bouncy for that power lvl.
best of luck mate
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In regards to the statements I've made about your car. As far as I can remember, I said, "No, You cannot beat a BMW M5" Even though you claimed you could/did.
 
Snoopie... Didn't Martin log a 265+bhp run on JKM's rollers?

Is it really inconceivable that the K04 will max out at 280bhp? What do you think is its limit?

Anyway, i think we'll leave it at that :) No point in arguing about figures as tbh they are all dyno lottery.

We all have different views;)
 
I've read somewhere else that changing the fluid and pads would improve the brakes a lot - I'll defo give that a try - what fluid and pad do people recommend ?

As for suspension I was thinking of using the standard springs with koni dampers as the roads around me are pretty bumpy, and perhaps replacing the dog bone mount too.

I'll probably leave the FMIC for later
 
Pagid pads and AP Racing fluid, you won't get any better and it will make a big difference to your standard brakes.

Bilstein or Eibach springs with Koni FSDs are a good way to go. Even on standard springs, the FSDs will make a big difference. The uprated dog bone mount really only helps to stop excessive engine movement. Handy when you have a nice turbo back exhaust and don't want to overstress the DP.
 
Thanks for the info. I had read that having an uprated dog bone mount also helps to get the power down better (+ its a cheap mod)
 
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