Xe
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I've been to about 4 dealers in the past week, and non of them have sold more than a couple of new Cupras. Main reason being... It looks like an FR
i saw my first civic type r on the road the other day 07 plate and it was driven by 2 lads younger than me with baseball caps and fred perry coats i was like they must have stolen it. However looking at all the pics of the type R i dont like it but in the flesh it chnaged my opinion completly and it sounds really nice on idle
it seems like SEAT have missed the boat with the new Cupra having said that reading my new top gear magazine in clarksons article he actually says he enjoyed driving s SEAT leon diesel
I think if you re-read the article he is saying how much how dislikes it, and that although VW & Seat are the ''same'' the Golf still is th better car, i think
I think if you re-read the article he is saying how much how dislikes it, and that although VW & Seat are the ''same'' the Golf still is th better car, i think
I might be wrong but thats because it proves that not all cars are the same , even if they are 99% the same under the bonnet. Its cheered him up to know that although Seat Leon & VW Golf are the same family one is still miles different from the other. Judging by the line ''I accidently drove the Leon the other, which annoyed me greatly'' i clearly feels the Leon is far from Golf territory even if it is the same.
As good a car as it no doubt is (i've resisted the temptation to test drive one, so far).. it will never be the cult type car that the CupraR was, and thats for a number of reasons.
1. It looks too ordinary, and looks too similar to the FR.
2. It's power output is nothing to shout about anymore.... when the first CupraR came out, even in 210bhp form it was something of a milestone for a FWD hot hatch.
3. The last R made a very good job out of what is a very poor chassis - off all the VAG group cars on that platform, only the CupraR and the R32 made a real fun drive out of it. This made both cars quite unique, in an odd sort of way.
4. Price. Last time round, the R had so few in terms of competition, it was an absolute steal for around £17k. Now priced higher, and with a Golf GTI that actually goes and handles, the incentive for paying slightly less for a marginallly improved car that will depreciate quicker and has a poorer interior isnt a very sensible one.
A year old CupraR is more appealing to be honest... both in price and in driving terms. In essence its probably no slower and has more presence.
I'm not debating the new chassis is a corker.... i've driven my mates GTI enough to know that, and it can handle so much more than 200bhp easily. It's just that the VW is such a great all round package, plus the fact there are some serious alternatives now outside of the VAG brand, that the Cupra is somewhat missing the target.
1. It looks too ordinary, and looks too similar to the FR.
2. It's power output is nothing to shout about anymore.... when the first CupraR came out, even in 210bhp form it was something of a milestone for a FWD hot hatch.
3. The last R made a very good job out of what is a very poor chassis - off all the VAG group cars on that platform, only the CupraR and the R32 made a real fun drive out of it. This made both cars quite unique, in an odd sort of way.
4. Price. Last time round, the R had so few in terms of competition, it was an absolute steal for around £17k. Now priced higher, and with a Golf GTI that actually goes and handles, the incentive for paying slightly less for a marginallly improved car that will depreciate quicker and has a poorer interior isnt a very sensible one.
A year old CupraR is more appealing to be honest... both in price and in driving terms. In essence its probably no slower and has more presence.
I'm not debating the new chassis is a corker.... i've driven my mates GTI enough to know that, and it can handle so much more than 200bhp easily. It's just that the VW is such a great all round package, plus the fact there are some serious alternatives now outside of the VAG brand, that the Cupra is somewhat missing the target.
I'd take the Cupra over the Type R. Mainly because I don't like how you have to keep the Honda engine at stupid rpm to get decent power from it. I know what he means about the interior of the Leon though. Doesn't seem like much time/money was spent on designing the dashboard/centre console. Very bland. When it comes to replacing my Leon SE 20v I'm still hoping to get an LCR.
Its absolutely no use listening to motoring journalists they only say what they are paid to say it has always been like that and always will the bigger the name the more they get paid
When i worked for citroen so did clarkson and he never had a bad word to say about them not so true now is it.
At the moment Seat is still a small fish in a big pond so will never get a realy good review against the likes of honda / vw / ford etc
When i worked for citroen so did clarkson and he never had a bad word to say about them not so true now is it.
At the moment Seat is still a small fish in a big pond so will never get a realy good review against the likes of honda / vw / ford etc
think we need a version pumped on steroids and with Quattro drive...
that would DEFFO please most people
that would DEFFO please most people
HarryKatinnen
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Hadn't noticed the Stig wearing Burberry racing overalls recently
(See last months Top Gear mag...he seemed to like the Type R)I've already driven the Type R and have to say I was impressed...I'm 43 and in no way could I ever be described as a chav. Looking forward to taking the Cupra out. I am sure they are both fab cars, just different in the way they do things.
Xe
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