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I hope you didn`t just pay £2000 just for the turbo as an Allard VT2 comes out at about £800 and thats not cheap. It`s true bigger the turbo more the lag but VNT turbos are nowhere near as bad as fixed blade turbos like a GT28rs etc. I use my car everyday as well and do about 400 miles a week. Propane is just another fuel source basically, it is a bit more complicated then that as it burns at a different pressure and at a hotter temperature. This is the kit i have got fitted and works very well.
http://www.p-i-fuelsystems.co.uk/powershot_diesel.htm
Cams on an 8V engine will add more power top end but you will loose some at the bottom and in my opion not suited for a diesel car that is to be used for everyday general road use.
I wouldn't be suprised if it's not improved slightly or just stayed the same. Mine has stayed pretty much how it was before averaging 45mpg. With regards to the price of the Allards VT2, the prices went up so it now works out at £1022.25 (inc vat) to buy then fitting on top, however this will still be cheaper than £2000. I think the reason behind the Jabba price is because it is an inhouse development based on Turbodynamics turbo's rather than the Garrett turbo, or so I've heard. I thought they were all Garrett turbo's but the TD turbo's apparently are completely built by themselves. However don't quote me on this I was told it all while researching for my own car.
i'm still doing on average 32mpg but at the moment i am nailing it everywhere i can, singe winding down the coilovers i'm nw getting knocking noises from the front when i pull away or let off when accelerating hard which i'm a bit worried about, naa i'm still glad i got a diesel i can still drive it carefully and the mpg seems to be about the same as what it was before,
Hi mate thanks for your helpfull posts i will be stearing clear of cams then but after reading that link with the propane injection i'm actually quite intrested in that now how much did the kit cost you(if you don't mind me saying) and how do you fill up?? is the gain like an in your face gain or is it very slight? the turbo kit i bought was http://www.jabbasport.com/services2.asp?serviceid=53 i didn't quite pay what the price was on there
top secret information hehehe thats also the clutch i bought and the exhause but they dont actually sell a fmic for my car so had to go with forge, so what do you think if i went for bigger injectors and propane injection what do you think i should be seeing then?? i have heard that bigger injectors = massive amounts of black smoke and to be fair i cleaned my car on sunday and it looks like it hasn't been cleaned for months at the back already lol would rather try and get away from more black smoke lol thanks again devonmikeyboy you have been a great help
my invoice says Garret hybrid turbo on it soo umm not sure the £2000 is big turbo fitting oil change custom re-map nuts and gaskets and oil feed pipe i'm not sure if that is the same kind of deal allards do
That's not that bad then, I never actually saw that it included the custom map. I only bought my turbo from them never had it fitted there so got it a bit cheaper as I was having other things fitted at the same time. I also got the turbo a tad cheaper then that as they hadn't updated their website when I bought mine which was good. As far as the Garret hybrid I was told that by the Garret service centre so was just saying what they said. Funnily they recommended Jabba's turbo to me.
At a set speed slightly better then standard but then the ECU doesn`t know about the propane going in but propane ( LPG ) is half the price of diesel and 20 litre of propane lasts 5 tanks ( 60 litres per tank = 300 litres ) of diesel. 95 mph = 35ish mpg and 120 mph = 25 mpg.
probably not very good might aswell of just got a petrol
i'm actually quite intrested in that now how much did the kit cost you(if you don't mind me saying) and how do you fill up?? is the gain like an in your face gain or is it very slight? the turbo kit i bought was http://www.jabbasport.com/services2.asp?serviceid=53 i didn't quite pay what the price was on there
Cost was about £1300 two years ago. That was total price fitted and set up on a dyno with dyno printouts. Propane is LPG so you fill up at a garage.Gains where 35bhp on my PD160 Cupra with a VT2 fitted so total was 265 bhp November 2005, 45bhp on my Aud after i had a few minor mods. You don`t get uprated injectors and propane as both are fuel source , both have there good and bad points. I wouldn`t go for uprated injectors as they smoke way to much for me. Here is Jabba Lukes car at santa pod.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LtcNfawQoI
Had a good look at the PDF that you posted about Jabba`s prices which seem very fair. Noticed their dyno graph at the bottom right, am i the only one who thinks that graph looks a bit strange?
the more you talk devonmikeyboy the more i want to buy i am about 80% convinced on this propane injection so what kind of power do you think i would see i have gone of the idea of injectors as my car already kick out WAY to much black smoke for my likeing and as you said the propane should help reduce that from what i read, i'm going to e-mail that company for a quote don't really have £1300 lying around at the moment but should ahve in a few months time.
Until i know what power you have i cannot say what power you might get plus you are running a Jabba map and turbo which might work better/worse then my old Allard map/turbo with the system working. If you end up running 230ish bhp you should get 15-20 bhp easily but it bepends on the spec of the turbo. Stupid question i know but i guess you don`t know the compressor and exhaust wheel size of your turbo
sorry mate i don't have a clue i will try and find out though, and get a quote on this propane injection and see where i go from there thanks for your help again mate
Adlav is there a guide on what i need to do for this?? i ahvent done anything it was fine untill i dropped it some more then it started clunking sounds like its coming from the front drivers side.
Adlav is there a guide on what i need to do for this?? i ahvent done anything it was fine untill i dropped it some more then it started clunking sounds like its coming from the front drivers side.
The car looks and sounds awesome mate (never knew a diesel could sound so nice) was good to meet you and the others tonight. When I've saved up enough money to buy the FMIC and had it tweaked a bit more we'll be able to compare like for like. I did say your's would have the advantage over mine and it did. See you tuesday.
Hi Mate, thanks for the comments i wasn't sure if you were giving it or not?? will have to take you out for a spin after i get it back on the 13th i am well chuffed with it but the banging from the front is really annoying me going to take it to my bro's workshop tomorrow night and have a look at it whilst fitting my LCR splitter, its funny we have both gone completly opposite to eachother, you for fabia i got ibiza you went blueflame i went miltech you went allards i went jabba LOL was nice to see your car looks really nice p.s i think phil wants to buy it from you lol before you phoned he was saying i'm thinking about getting a fabia and put a big turbo on it and then 2 mins later you phoned
lol see you soon mate
lol see you soon mate
Right got my fly by video to be honest i don't think it does the car justice but i'm sure the guys that were there aswell will give you their opinion found it really hard to get good quailty sound recording also it was wet so there is alot of road noise but here it is let me know what you think.....
http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n318/T10HJS/?action=view¤t=c80e040b.flv
http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n318/T10HJS/?action=view¤t=c80e040b.flv
I wasn't hammering it as my mate kept grabbing on for dear life saying he didn't want to die. When it's dry I'll give it another go but still think you'll go ahead. I'm not fussed though as long as you take me out in it so I can see what I'm missing . I was thinking that about the cars being completely opposite too which is quite funny. You've not only made me want an FMIC I also want to get a decat on if the car would sound anything like that, however I'm used to my whistling. Tell Phil it's not for sale lol but if he wants I'll take him out in it next time. See you soon.
. I was thinking that about the cars being completely opposite too which is quite funny. You've not only made me want an FMIC I also want to get a decat on if the car would sound anything like that, however I'm used to my whistling. Tell Phil it's not for sale lol but if he wants I'll take him out in it next time. See you soon.
yea cool mate i will let phil know that noise is a combination of the fmic and de-cat mate honestly i know people on here say fmic makes no difference to noises but trust me mate it does as my bro's and April(that was my g/f can't remember if i intoduced you) lol all said s deffinatly worth it but deff fmic first dunno why you got talked into a cat anyway its just a restriction for no reason lol
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