Buckets would would darn sweet! I can't justify spending that on mine, like we spoke about I think It'll be sold within the next year... Unless I find a cheap daily!?
Manged to get out today and do my first logs since the hybrid was fitted and mapped, although everything doesnt look to bad theres a couple of things im going to ask Bill to look at as he mapped it.
On block 115 when on WOT from 1500rpm it only seems to spike to 21psi where as on gear changes it spikes 26psi im hoping the logs will confirm its perfectly normal for the me7 to behave like this.
Looks to be getting pretty hot down there also, im hoping that once the WMI is installed this will help this aswell as more power.
Everything else looks ok to me g/s is good along with the duty cycle being pretty low.
Discuss.
Maybe theres abit more timing to be had? i think ill leave as is at the moment as i`ve just bought a devils own WMI so will need to do alot more logging and adjusting once thats installed.
Pic to follow once tank and connectors arrive.
On block 115 when on WOT from 1500rpm it only seems to spike to 21psi where as on gear changes it spikes 26psi im hoping the logs will confirm its perfectly normal for the me7 to behave like this.
Looks to be getting pretty hot down there also, im hoping that once the WMI is installed this will help this aswell as more power.
Everything else looks ok to me g/s is good along with the duty cycle being pretty low.
Discuss.
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Sunday 26 July 2009 20:07:06
6K0 906 032 AA 1.8L 20VT EU3 01 0002
Group A: '002 Group B:
RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow
TIME TIME
MARKER STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP
0.01 2280 102.3 9.43 48.86
0.5 2440 122.6 12.3 61.53
0.89 2360 40.6 1.64 4.33
1.29 2200 106.8 10.66 52.61
1.69 1840 97 9.02 37.17
2.19 1920 100.8 9.43 38.36
2.59 2000 108.3 10.25 44.36
2.99 2040 111.3 10.66 45
3.39 2120 115.8 11.07 47.5
3.79 2160 122.6 11.89 55.67
4.19 2240 133.8 13.12 61.75
4.59 2360 144.4 14.35 67.64
4.99 2400 154.9 15.58 75.72
5.49 2520 164.7 16.4 83.5
6 2640 178.9 18.04 93.97
6.4 2760 183.5 18.45 98.44
6.8 2880 190.2 18.86 106.31
7.2 3000 191.7 19.68 111.97
7.58 3080 191.7 19.27 108.22
7.98 3200 189.5 19.27 117.81
8.4 3320 188.7 19.27 119.78
8.78 3440 186.5 19.27 125.75
9.18 3520 181.2 18.86 122.11
9.58 3640 182.7 19.27 132.67
10 3720 183.5 19.27 134.33
10.4 3800 185.7 19.68 132.47
10.8 3920 181.2 19.27 135.14
11.2 4040 182 19.68 143.31
11.69 4160 183.5 19.68 146.28
12.09 4280 184.2 19.68 152.86
12.6 4400 185.7 19.68 152.72
13.01 4520 187.2 20.09 162
13.5 4600 190.2 20.5 169.69
13.9 4720 191.7 20.5 175.94
14.4 4800 191.7 20.5 173.5
14.8 4920 191.7 20.91 185.44
15.2 5000 191.7 20.91 185.75
15.6 5120 191.7 20.91 186.53
16 5160 191.7 21.32 192.83
16.4 5240 191 20.91 187.86
16.8 5320 190.2 20.91 194.86
17.2 5360 190.2 21.32 194.06
17.6 5440 188 20.91 195.39
18 5520 188 21.32 194.81
18.4 5560 187.2 21.32 202.11
18.8 5640 186.5 20.91 198.53
19.2 5680 188 21.32 205.28
19.6 5760 186.5 20.91 206.86
19.99 5800 187.2 21.32 206.86
20.39 5840 185.7 20.91 203.78
20.79 5880 185.7 20.91 209.31
21.19 5920 185.7 20.91 211.75
21.59 5960 188 21.32 214.97
21.99 6000 185.7 21.32 214.25
22.39 6040 183.5 20.91 214.25
22.79 6040 184.2 20.91 208.58
23.19 6080 181.2 20.91 210.33
23.59 6120 182 20.91 218.92
23.99 6120 181.2 20.91 210
24.4 6160 180.5 20.91 210.17
24.79 6160 181.2 20.91 216.75
25.29 6160 178.9 20.5 212.83
25.69 6200 180.5 20.91 217.08
26.09 6200 177.4 20.5 213.28
26.49 6240 180.5 20.91 218.19
26.99 6560 23.3 2.05 1.28
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Sunday 26 July 2009 19:55:23
6K0 906 032 AA 1.8L 20VT EU3 01 0002
Group A: '115
RPM Load Absolute Pres. Absolute Pres.
TIME
MARKER STAMP /min % mbar mbar
0.01 1400 75.9 1690 1110
0.36 1440 78.2 1720 1130
0.76 1480 79.7 1740 1150
1.16 1520 83.5 1750 1170
1.56 1600 85 1750 1190
1.96 1640 85 1750 1210
2.36 1680 85.7 1750 1230
2.76 1720 88 1750 1250
3.16 1800 91 1750 1270
3.56 1840 94 1760 1290
3.96 1880 94.7 1780 1310
4.36 1920 99.2 1790 1340
4.76 2000 103.8 1800 1370
5.16 2040 107.5 1830 1400
5.56 2120 109.8 1840 1440
5.96 2200 115 1850 1490
6.45 2280 122.6 1880 1560
6.85 2360 135.3 1910 1640
7.25 2400 144.4 1940 1730
7.75 2520 156.4 1990 1880
8.15 2600 163.9 2020 1990
8.66 2720 170.7 2080 2140
9.06 2800 178.2 2110 2240
9.46 2960 186.5 2140 2350
9.86 3040 191.7 2140 2430
10.26 3160 191.7 2170 2480
10.66 3280 191.7 2180 2450
11.06 3360 191.7 2200 2380
11.44 3480 187.2 2230 2340
11.84 3600 181.2 2250 2310
12.24 3680 180.5 2270 2300
12.66 3800 182 2280 2280
13.06 3880 178.9 2280 2270
13.44 3960 182.7 2290 2250
13.86 4120 181.2 2280 2290
14.24 4200 182.7 2280 2300
14.66 4280 179.7 2280 2300
15.15 4400 180.5 2270 2290
15.55 4520 183.5 2270 2300
15.95 4600 187.2 2250 2310
16.35 4680 188.7 2250 2280
16.87 4800 191.7 2240 2280
17.27 4880 191.7 2240 2270
17.67 4960 191.7 2230 2250
18.07 5040 190.2 2240 2260
18.47 5120 191.7 2260 2260
18.85 5240 190.2 2270 2270
19.25 5280 190.2 2260 2260
19.65 5320 188 2270 2250
20.05 5400 186.5 2280 2270
20.45 5440 186.5 2290 2250
20.85 5520 184.2 2310 2270
21.25 5560 185 2320 2260
21.65 5640 185.7 2330 2280
22.05 5680 185 2350 2290
22.45 5720 186.5 2340 2290
22.85 5720 186.5 2350 2300
23.25 5800 185.7 2360 2310
23.65 5840 185.7 2360 2320
24.05 5880 185 2350 2330
24.45 5920 185.7 2350 2320
24.85 5960 184.2 2350 2320
25.25 5960 184.2 2340 2330
25.65 6000 184.2 2330 2310
26.16 6040 182 2320 2330
26.56 6040 183.5 2330 2320
27.06 6040 181.2 2320 2320
27.46 6120 182.7 2330 2340
27.86 6120 179.7 2330 2340
28.26 6800 28.6 990 2220
28.66 5120 121.8 2260 1320
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Sunday 26 July 2009 19:59:22
6K0 906 032 AA 1.8L 20VT EU3 01 0002
Group A: '118
RPM Temperature Load Absolute Pres.
TIME
MARKER STAMP /min °C % mbar
0.36 1480 27 95.3 1120
0.86 1520 27 95.3 1160
1.25 1600 27 95.3 1190
1.65 1640 27 95.3 1220
2.15 1680 27 95.3 1250
2.55 1760 26 95.3 1270
2.95 1800 26 95.3 1300
3.46 1880 26 95.3 1330
3.96 1960 26 95.3 1370
4.45 2040 26 95.3 1410
4.95 2120 25 95.3 1470
5.45 2200 26 95.3 1540
5.86 2240 26 89 1620
6.25 2320 26 82.7 1720
6.65 2400 26 80 1840
7.05 2520 26 79.2 1970
7.45 2600 27 77.6 2100
7.85 2680 27 72.9 2230
8.25 2800 27 66.7 2330
8.65 2920 27 63.1 2390
9.05 3000 27 56.5 2410
9.45 3160 28 52.2 2370
9.84 3280 29 49.4 2320
10.24 3320 29 47.8 2290
10.66 3440 29 47.1 2270
11.06 3560 30 47.1 2250
11.56 3680 30 48.2 2260
12.07 3800 30 47.1 2290
12.56 3920 32 48.2 2250
12.96 4040 32 48.6 2260
13.35 4120 33 49.8 2280
13.76 4240 33 51 2290
14.16 4320 33 51.8 2280
14.64 4440 34 52.9 2290
15.06 4560 35 52.5 2290
15.46 4640 36 52.2 2290
15.84 4760 36 52.5 2270
16.26 4840 36 52.5 2260
16.66 4960 37 52.5 2240
17.06 5040 37 52.9 2230
17.56 5120 39 53.3 2240
17.96 5200 39 53.7 2230
18.36 5280 39 54.1 2250
18.76 5360 39 54.9 2240
19.16 5440 40 55.3 2260
19.56 5480 41 56.5 2250
19.96 5560 42 58 2250
20.36 5600 43 59.6 2270
20.76 5680 44 60.8 2270
21.16 5720 45 62 2270
21.56 5760 45 63.5 2280
21.95 5800 45 65.1 2290
22.35 5840 47 66.3 2310
22.76 5920 48 67.1 2310
23.15 5960 48 67.8 2310
23.55 6000 49 68.2 2310
23.95 6000 50 68.2 2290
24.45 6040 50 68.2 2310
24.85 6040 51 67.8 2330
25.36 6120 51 67.8 2310
25.76 6680 51 0 2220
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6K0 906 032 AA Sunday 1.8L 20VT EU3 01 0002
Group A: '020
Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization Idle Stabilization
TIME
MARKER STAMP CF CF CF CF
0 0 0 0 0
0.4 0 0 0 0
0.8 0 0 0 0
1.2 0 0 0 0
1.6 0 0 0 0
2 0 0 0 0
2.4 0 0 0 0
2.8 0 0 0 0
3.2 0 0 0 0
3.6 0 0 0 0
4 0 0 0 0
4.4 0 0 0 0
4.8 0 0 0 0
5.2 0 3 0 0
5.6 0 3 0 0
6 0 3 0 0
6.4 0 3 0 0
6.8 0 3 0 0
7.2 0 2.3 0 0
7.71 0 2.3 0 0
8.11 0 2.3 0 0
8.51 0 2.3 0 0
8.91 0 2.3 0 3
9.31 0 1.5 0 3
9.71 0 1.5 0 3
10.11 0 1.5 0 3
10.51 0 1.5 0 3
10.91 0 1.5 0 3
11.31 0 1.5 0 2.3
11.71 0 1.5 0 2.3
12.11 0 0.8 0 2.3
12.51 0 0.8 0 2.3
12.91 0 0.8 0 2.3
13.31 0 0.8 0 2.3
13.69 0 0.8 0 2.3
14.11 0 0.8 3 2.3
14.51 0 0.8 3 1.5
14.91 0 0.8 3 1.5
15.4 0 0 3 1.5
15.8 0 0 3 1.5
16.2 0 0 3 1.5
16.6 0 0 3 1.5
17.12 0 0 3 1.5
17.52 0 0 3 1.5
17.92 0 0 2.3 1.5
18.32 0 0 2.3 0.8
18.72 0 0 2.3 0.8
19.12 0 0 2.3 0.8
19.52 0 0 2.3 0.8
19.92 0 0 2.3 0.8
20.32 0 0 2.3 0.8
20.7 0 0 2.3 0.8
21.1 0 0 2.3 0.8
21.5 0 0 1.5 0.8
21.91 0 0 1.5 0.8
22.3 0 0 1.5 0
22.7 0 0 1.5 0
23.1 0 0 1.5 0
23.5 0 0 1.5 0
23.9 0 0 1.5 0
24.3 0 0 1.5 0
24.71 0 0 1.5 0
25.1 0 0 1.5 0
25.5 0 0 1.5 0
25.91 0 0 0.8 0
26.3 0 0 0 0
26.71 0 0 1.5 0.8
27.21 0 0 0 0
27.69 0 0 0 0
28.11 0 0 0 0
28.51 0 0 0 0
28.99 0 0 0 0
29.39 0 0 0 0
29.79 0 0 0 0
30.19 0 0 0 0
30.6 0 0 0 0
30.99 0 0 0 0Maybe theres abit more timing to be had? i think ill leave as is at the moment as i`ve just bought a devils own WMI so will need to do alot more logging and adjusting once thats installed.
Pic to follow once tank and connectors arrive.
jamiebennett81
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what intercooler have you got fitted Benny, as about the highest temp I have seen is around 38c on mine (running PA FMIC)
I am doing some more logs on wednesday as I am adjusting a final bit of boost in, so will double check this and see how it goes
I am doing some more logs on wednesday as I am adjusting a final bit of boost in, so will double check this and see how it goes
jamiebennett81
Guest
odd
I know you are running a little more boost than I am, due to the Ibiza having 20mm pins as standard (bendy rods on mine if I tried to run the same)
is WMI worth it on a hybrid with standard rods too?
seen the results, but just not sure if its worth it when transforming it too the "on the road" difference
The boost delivery is what you expect and get from a k04... trying to clip its initial spool wings is difficult, so the overboost is almost always there. The n75 looks to control it well, as you can see from the drop in duty cycle as the boost climbs and revs increase.
The load the ecu see's is why there's differences in boost levels.. a requested torque is made, and in taller gears thats a higher request than in lower gears, and the ecu does its thing to achieve its request. in a taller gear, it tries harder than if it was in a lower gear - aka normal ME7 load based ecu behaviour
some more timing possible yes but not much.. whats there has been left with hot days in mind..
More can be added especially with wmi being added, depending on WMI mix ratio.. egt's should drop which can only help things
I dont personally like the forge ibiza FMIC pipework or diameters... too many cut cut & shut tight corners in small bore pipework
For me its not 300bhp flow setup unless there is some evidence of pressure drop across the core against flow data to say otherwise.
JB's Pro-Alloy fmic is way bigger and better flowing design than the ibiza one on yours.
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Thanks for your input Bill, no more timing will be dialed in until the WMI is fitted as you said theres room been left for hotter days which makes sense.
As for the FMIC its a shame i didnt know what direction i would be taking 3yrs ago when i got the car but unfortunatly the Forge item will be staying as im not prepared to pay the cost for a new one what with house hunting soon, So ill just get the best out of the setup i have
Maybe use some reducers and enlarge the pipe work if that would help any?Im guessing that the high intake temps are due to the FMIC?
Not worrying to much here about RR results but when i eventully get her on the RR with thew operator doing the run in 4th gear is this likly to hinder any results as the boost is only reaching 21psi and not the full spike?
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I didnt want to hear this as i have a Forge FMIC and will be going hybrid in the next 4-5 months or so. Im sure Bill could make up some larger diameter pipework to make it flow better as im sure the actual core of the cooler is enough to flow to 300bhp, some people run the uni coolers on big turbo setups with uprated pipework and it seems to do the job ok, open to suggestions though.......
The pipework Danny has on his car is actually pretty decent, it follows the old AM setup i used to have but its a lot easier to put together, the kit wasn't much at all to buy either, you've jut got to buy some decent silicone hoses to go with it though and not the rubber compound rubbish that are supplied with it!
I would say the pipework is a restriction though mate, the actual core should be able to cope easily, i had similar problems with my hybrid. Its something for you to look into though mate to get those temps down
I would say the pipework is a restriction though mate, the actual core should be able to cope easily, i had similar problems with my hybrid. Its something for you to look into though mate to get those temps down
yep......
.......the section of pipe with the MAP sensor......about a 135 degree return bend
........ not sure what they were thinking in that design meetingIIRC the kit they supply to fit a SEAT Sport FMIC uses a 90 degree bend with the addition of another bent section....... all out of larger 63mm...... alot less restrictive in all aspects......
I may look into changing the pipework, to be honest i havent really taken much notice of the forge pipework until now, the car drives superb and is uber quick im going to see what the WMI does for the intake temps before i make my decision.
this thread has make me think about the Forge pipe in question...... thinking i may buy a section or 2 of ali tubing and possibly cut the restrictive pipe to keep the required MAP sensor locator........
cut the restrictive pipe to keep the required MAP sensor locator........jamiebennett81
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Elo mate Only just found your thread *hangs head in shame*
I cant see your timing in them logs am i beeing blind!?!?
Only just found your thread *hangs head in shame*I cant see your timing in them logs
am i beeing blind!?!?
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