Parts needed for cupra D fmic conversion

[DIFT]

I cant stand him either, its J@MES off here, so just want to give the rent boy my support

No comment from the big man????

 

[RichardBW]

we did not test a stock SEAT version of the fmic as we simply did not have a car at the time to check this and we were not going to spend over £1100 just to get a sample of the IC and all the pipes. I have tuned a car previously though and I do know the stock version has one hell of a restriction in the plastic pipe that runs under the right headlight.
Our own kit was developed to make this a much cheaper option and give the performance gains required for the 130pd cars with stock front bumpers fitted. On the diesel we finished up with only a 40mm core depth (same as the SEAT Sport/Cupra version) as this was better suited than anything deeper that caused a noticable drop in pressure. On the petrol mkiv fmic we used pretty much the same design apart from some hose connections and the core went to 50mm deep which worked better with the petrol 1.8t.
We do have the pipe run issues with the bumper on the right front of the car and we very nearly said NO to this one during development due to the fit restraints in this area. However we thought that the demand and the performance benefit was such that the owners would not mind a small bit of bumper trimming to make this kit fit the car.
We have now sold quite a few of these kits to dealers and private customers and even though we do get the odd call with ref to the hose/pipe fitting and routing, we feel the kit has been received very well so far. I have had calls from ECU tuners that are quite amazed at the temp drops these give over stock IC's.

 

[Ant FR]

we did not test a stock SEAT version of the fmic as we simply did not have a car at the time to check this and we were not going to spend over £1100 just to get a sample of the IC and all the pipes. I have tuned a car previously though and I do know the stock version has one hell of a restriction in the plastic pipe that runs under the right headlight.
Our own kit was developed to make this a much cheaper option and give the performance gains required for the 130pd cars with stock front bumpers fitted. On the diesel we finished up with only a 40mm core depth (same as the SEAT Sport/Cupra version) as this was better suited than anything deeper that caused a noticable drop in pressure. On the petrol mkiv fmic we used pretty much the same design apart from some hose connections and the core went to 50mm deep which worked better with the petrol 1.8t.
We do have the pipe run issues with the bumper on the right front of the car and we very nearly said NO to this one during development due to the fit restraints in this area. However we thought that the demand and the performance benefit was such that the owners would not mind a small bit of bumper trimming to make this kit fit the car.
We have now sold quite a few of these kits to dealers and private customers and even though we do get the odd call with ref to the hose/pipe fitting and routing, we feel the kit has been received very well so far. I have had calls from ECU tuners that are quite amazed at the temp drops these give over stock IC's.

yes, the plastic hose on the standard cupra one does have some restriction, but on yours there is one metal hose that is has an acute 110 degree pipe bend in it. And then once you look at the design of the intercooler you see how restrictive that is too, I personaly ( and most people who looked at it when i had it fitted) could not work out why the hell you chose to run both inlet and outlet on the intercooler at the top of the intercooler and decided against putting the outlet at the top and the inlet at the bottom. The restriction in your intercooler seems very very high compared to the seat sport one. This would also have meant no probs running the hoses so they rubbed on the Crash bar. Also even if you had to keep this design, why not increse the gap by 4-5mm on the intercooler so it was not rubbing on the crash bar, yes the top would always rub unless you had turned the intercooler upside down and had both hoseson the lower side. Also there is no brackets to support the pipework, which is mad because there is already a lot of movement on the turbo to intercooler hose that runs passed the sump.

Surely the restrictive plastic pipe does'nt look quite so bad compared to these facts i am sorry richard, i have had loads of bits off you guys in the passed for my punto GT, but this intercooler did not look like it had been thought about 100% to make it as good a design as we are used to from your company. I can't believe i was th eonly person to bring these points up.

 

[RichardBW]

pipes are both at the top as there is no space at the bottom when the stock 130pd bumper is fitted. One other big reason for this is the towing eye bracket. If we had produced an intercooler that had to be removed to get a car on to a tow truck then I am sure we would see a big complaint then.
As I have said I do know this kit has its bad points as far as design and flow are concerned and I have also said we very nearly said NO to this when we were looking at every angle of development with a stripped down car. The demand and pressure was there from the owners for us to produce a kit even if there were going to be fitment issues. We did this and I think the performance gain was well worth putting up with the fit and design problems. Basically it works well and improves performance despite the problems you have pointed out, I would think most owners are happy with this performance gain and are not too concerned with the parts that you cannot see once the bumper is refitted.
The acute bend is pretty much a standard requirement on a lot of Front mount intercooler kits these days (not just Forge ones) as it is the only way to route round the standard parts without taking an angle grinder or cutter to the bodywork of the car. We have to make the kits fit around all sorts of stock parts on the car so sometimes just cannot help the excessive angle of bends in both silicon and aluminium. I would dearly love to route all the piping in the most efficient way but this is just not possible with our road going cars.
Ant...sorry if you saw my post as a bite back at your previous comments. I posted as others here asked valid questions on our products. I think it was you I spoke to on the phone a while ago about this when you sent the kit back? If it was I do remember there was no argument at the time and we simply refunded you on receipt of the parts. This is the way we like to work and will happily sort out any other customers who may feel a greivence about this product.

I am not sure how much the FULL Cupra fmic kit would cost from SEAT at this present time and this is not a sales line (I am definitely no salesman),but I bet the Forge version works out nearly equal to the performance of the SEAT parts and equates to a much happier bank balance for the owners.

lots of spelling mistakes I know but I have not got the time to read that all again

 

[Ant FR]

pipes are both at the top as there is no space at the bottom when the stock 130pd bumper is fitted. One other big reason for this is the towing eye bracket. If we had produced an intercooler that had to be removed to get a car on to a tow truck then I am sure we would see a big complaint then.
As I have said I do know this kit has its bad points as far as design and flow are concerned and I have also said we very nearly said NO to this when we were looking at every angle of development with a stripped down car. The demand and pressure was there from the owners for us to produce a kit even if there were going to be fitment issues. We did this and I think the performance gain was well worth putting up with the fit and design problems. Basically it works well and improves performance despite the problems you have pointed out, I would think most owners are happy with this performance gain and are not too concerned with the parts that you cannot see once the bumper is refitted.
The acute bend is pretty much a standard requirement on a lot of Front mount intercooler kits these days (not just Forge ones) as it is the only way to route round the standard parts without taking an angle grinder or cutter to the bodywork of the car. We have to make the kits fit around all sorts of stock parts on the car so sometimes just cannot help the excessive angle of bends in both silicon and aluminium. I would dearly love to route all the piping in the most efficient way but this is just not possible with our road going cars.
Ant...sorry if you saw my post as a bite back at your previous comments. I posted as others here asked valid questions on our products. I think it was you I spoke to on the phone a while ago about this when you sent the kit back? If it was I do remember there was no argument at the time and we simply refunded you on receipt of the parts. This is the way we like to work and will happily sort out any other customers who may feel a greivence about this product.

I am not sure how much the FULL Cupra fmic kit would cost from SEAT at this present time and this is not a sales line (I am definitely no salesman),but I bet the Forge version works out nearly equal to the performance of the SEAT parts and equates to a much happier bank balance for the owners.

lots of spelling mistakes I know but I have not got the time to read that all again

Nope i did not have a problem with the refund at all, all happened quick thanks, it just seemed that the product was not as well developed as forge normally do, nohing personal afainst forge as i said i have had other products that simply just canot be faulted, just wanted to clear it up for everyone on here as this is another example of where the majority of people jump on th eband wagon and poo poo any other options.

Cost wise, yes you are right the forge is cheaper. But the proof will be in the longevity of trouble free running. Nobody wants to be under a car on the motorway reattaching boost pipes. I just hope you have at least now inserted a bracket for the pipe work into the kit.

thanks again Richard for the help with my old one though

 

[mrcoyote]

just wanted to clear it up for everyone on here as this is another example of where the majority of people jump on th eband wagon and poo poo any other options.

I don't get what you're saying. Nobody's been jumping on any bandwagons, I just asked why you were going for the Seat version as in my experience the Forge one worked just as well. But I guess you pays your money and makes your choice as they say.

The thing is, I bet you wouldn't get the same level of service from Seat as you do from Forge.

 

[Ibiza Evo 2]

Nice to hear what your experience was with the Forge fmic,Ant.
Points what made me choose for the cupra fmic:
-OEM look
-perfect fitment (except from the bumper then)
-bigger
-in and outlet is better placed

 

[maxcars1]

Ordered mine today Thanks for the info