The 348PS Cupra! Forge Twin Intercooler Installed!

[JUS CRU-ZN]

Hi Zboyd
Your spot on with the suspension
I dont know about the Leon but with the Evo i have, it has a good suspension setup, But you can have it re-tracked to a more aggressive fast road setup
I know that with the new 2ltr fsi Turbo engine you can get a 405bhp tuning package at a cost of 13k or 450bhp for 25k
Who on here has the most BHP & Torque in there leon ?
Cheers

What are the parameters used for the faster more aggressive road setup? I'm assuming these are suspension settings as done for allignment?

 

[Kvmechelen]

no worky!

Yes worky

www.youtube.com\watch?v=fi6Ab9xCl-w

 

[techie]

Looks good.

Id be interested in things like given a hard run does the coolant temp increase and whats happening to the pressures in the a/c system.

The rads have a fairly tough time being behind the condensor and the std intercooler let alone being behind something else where the main air flow comes through.

 

[Al]

Looks good.

Id be interested in things like given a hard run does the coolant temp increase and whats happening to the pressures in the a/c system.

The rads have a fairly tough time being behind the condensor and the std intercooler let alone being behind something else where the main air flow comes through.

Yer, I would be interested to see that as well mate. The radiator sits well shielded at the back when there is another core in front of it.

 

[Chris_Cupra]

Just to add another approx. 360bhp running Leon II Cupra from Greece dynoed in September 2008:

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq124/ckosm1/CuprastageII_dyno.jpg?t=1228555229

Result: 325 whp/6600rpm and 45.2kgm wheel torque. The car is running every day with 1.5 bar overboost - 1.25 bar constant boost up to redline

This is my Cupra and the mods up to the dyno had been:
1. Unitronic Stage 2 software
2. Milltkek resonated full tb exhaust (70mm) (ordered before they released the 3" dp)
3. V-flow intake
4. APR FMIC

The dyno was carried-out in a Dynojet and all power-torque figures are at the wheels-The temperatures at the time the dyno had taken place (early Sep 2008) were very high here in Athens (38oC) with high humidity (approx. 80%), so I could have some more horses comming out...

After that result I have put an APR high-pressure fuel pump and await for the stage 2+ software to support it. Moreover, the stock dv has been replaced with the one from Forge...

 

[Al]

Nice figure there mate. The APR core certainly seems to be the wisest choce of all intercoolers for places where temperatures are higher.

Going by various links, there are quite a few 2.0T's running at 350bhp-360bhp now

 

[Chris_Cupra]

Nice figure there mate. The APR core certainly seems to be the wisest choce of all intercoolers for places where temperatures are higher.

Going by various links, there are quite a few 2.0T's running at 350bhp-360bhp now

Thanks mate ... !
Yes the APR core, I think is an optimal choice for our hot climates! Initially I went for a S3-FMIC, however, I never put it on and thereafter sold it ...

 

[Chris_Cupra]

Just to add another approx. 360bhp running Leon II Cupra from Greece dynoed in September 2008:

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq124/ckosm1/CuprastageII_dyno.jpg?t=1228555229

Result: 325 whp/6600rpm and 45.2kgm wheel torque. The car is running every day with 1.5 bar overboost - 1.25 bar constant boost up to redline

This is my Cupra and the mods up to the dyno had been:
1. Unitronic Stage 2 software
2. Milltkek resonated full tb exhaust (70mm) (ordered before they released the 3" dp - currently awaiting the 3" dp-100cell cat)
3. V-flow intake
4. APR FMIC

The dyno was carried-out in a Dynojet and all power-torque figures are at the wheels-The temperatures at the time the dyno had taken place (early Sep 2008) were very high here in Athens (38oC) with high humidity (approx. 80%), so I could have some more horses comming out...

After that result I have put an APR high-pressure fuel pump and await for the stage 2+ software to support it. Moreover, the stock dv has been replaced with the one from Forge...

I forgot to say that as the Dynojet gives ps at the wheels always, if one considered losses through our 6-speed transmission-225/40/R18 wheels at least 12% = 0.12, then an estimate of the crank horsepower is: 325.3/0.88 = 370ps, under the conditions of the measurement ...!!!

 

[DanGB]

I forgot to say that as the Dynojet gives ps at the wheels always, if one considered losses through our 6-speed transmission-225/40/R18 wheels at least 12% = 0.12, then an estimate of the crank horsepower is: 325.3/0.88 = 370ps, under the conditions of the measurement ...!!!

no that wouldnt be right. mines running 350whp, and I certianly dont have 397hp (according to those calculations) at the crank, more like 385 at the moment.

 

[chrisboyle999]

After that result I have put an APR high-pressure fuel pump and await for the stage 2+ software to support it.

apr hp fuel pump map is available chris.

 

[Ben CTR]

Just to add another approx. 360bhp running Leon II Cupra from Greece dynoed in September 2008:

http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq124/ckosm1/CuprastageII_dyno.jpg?t=1228555229

Result: 325 whp/6600rpm and 45.2kgm wheel torque. The car is running every day with 1.5 bar overboost - 1.25 bar constant boost up to redline

This is my Cupra and the mods up to the dyno had been:
1. Unitronic Stage 2 software
2. Milltkek resonated full tb exhaust (70mm) (ordered before they released the 3" dp - currently awaiting the 3" dp-100cell cat)
3. V-flow intake
4. APR FMIC

The dyno was carried-out in a Dynojet and all power-torque figures are at the wheels-The temperatures at the time the dyno had taken place (early Sep 2008) were very high here in Athens (38oC) with high humidity (approx. 80%), so I could have some more horses comming out...

After that result I have put an APR high-pressure fuel pump and await for the stage 2+ software to support it. Moreover, the stock dv has been replaced with the one from Forge...

360bhp without uprated Fuel Pump?

 

[Al]

360bhp without uprated Fuel Pump?

Yeah I picked up on that too. If that figure is real, it must be running very lean.

 

[Ben CTR]

hey all..mine has 336,8 bhp...heres a movie of it agaist a 2008 STI

www.youtube.com\watch?v=fi6Ab9xCl-w

Nice vid mate, but not the greatest performance from the STI IMO.. Starting at 3,000rpm won't of helped for a start, unless you're doing an 'in gear' test..
Would still expect the Cupra to pull away, but not by that much..

 

[Chris_Cupra]

360bhp without uprated Fuel Pump?

Yes, that's why at about 5000-5500rpm the power curve flattens and rises up again after 5500rpm... The stage 1+/2 software requests the stock fuel pump to work with 125bar fuel rail pressure, however, at mid-range rpms where boost is higher, the actual fule pressure never reaches the requested and this is the cause of power hesitation at that point (as the air/fuel ratio becomes lean)...

 

[Chris_Cupra]

no that wouldnt be right. mines running 350whp, and I certianly dont have 397hp (according to those calculations) at the crank, more like 385 at the moment.

As I said, crank hp is an estimate-approximation ... What do you think that dynos that give results at the crank do...??? They measure wheel hp and then the software adds hp losses through transmission, with the latter measured at rolling down after accelaration, which is done with no gear in gearbox... Is this accurate...??? Certainly not, since they are adding wheel hp during accelaration + hp generated with no load until the car stops on the rollers, and transmission losses at that stage are not the same as they are when accelarating ! Therefore, they simply add apples to oranges, and we are happy.
The only accurate measurement of engine (crank) hp is by taking it out of the car (no transmission losses) and put it on a bench dyno, but this is never done or noone is willing to do that to an every day car ...

That's why I said an approximation of crank hp could be made by adding a 12% power loss through transmission. Most of our 6-speed gearboxes are estimated by the factory to dissipate something around 12-13% of the engine's power...

 

[Blade]

Am i misreading this 325ps does not equate to 370bhp

According to the data i have

1 ps = 0.9863201 horsepower

therefore 325ps = 318.5hp ................ which is nearer the mark without a fuel pump.

 

[Chris_Cupra]

Am i misreading this 325ps does not equate to 370bhp

According to the data i have

1 ps = 0.9863201 horsepower

therefore 325ps = 318.5hp ................ which is nearer the mark without a fuel pump.

I didn't say 325.3ps = 370bhp ... I said 325ps at the wheels gives a rough estimate of 325.3ps/0.88 = 370ps crank power (ps) [where 0.88 = 100%-12% transmission losses] ...
I hope that its clear now...

P.S.: bhp is a power unit mostly used in Britain, and nowhere else

 

[Blade]

so your saying that 325ps is ATW and not a crank figure?

 

[Chris_Cupra]

so your saying that 325ps is ATW and not a crank figure?

Exactly !!! Dynojets always give wheel power !

 

[tommy-cupra]

nice results, what about torque???? btw you can already order new clutch , I change mine after 12000 km with remap and almost same modifications like you have, I just dont have the autotech pump still.