My Mk4 Cupra Now Sold

[Hartosh1]

If you read my thread you will see the amount of work that has been put into the car i have uprated everything possible to get these figures and i can honestly say they are true. Ive been in alot of tuned cars and have a rough idea of power outputs and id say this is as close to 264bhp as you can get.

AFR is perfect so theres nothing to worry about there. The car actually runs so much better with all the upgrades ive done recently as my original MAF was on its way out i suspect.

Also when you say standard injectors on this engine are capable of 220bhp max your saying no stage2 mk4 ibiza's can run 240bhp? Theres countless RR's of Cupras running 240+bhp

Im not having a go mate but i think you should maybe have read the thread to see my supporting mods.

 

[majesty78]

No offence mate, its true i havent read the whole thread and dont know all your mods, but I was actually hanging up on the "i have standard injectors" thing.

Those are not capable of 264hp ;-)

It is nice having a lot of supporting mods, but without fuel its more or less useless.

Take a look at several tuners homepages away from uk ( avoid spain and portugal though*g*), and you will find out that none of them will even offer such high numbers with this engine and stock injectors.

Regards, Alex

 

[Scott-o]

Your tuners are going wrong somewhere then if they are only managing max 215hp out of the ko3s. Have a look around the site and see for yourself, people pretty much get that with a stage 1 map on ko3s with little to no supporting mods.

 

[majesty78]

These mentioned tuners are not "my" tuners ;-)

Funnywise, there are UK companys who deliver software to other countrys and in those other countrys this identic software gives less power as when RR'd in UK.

Maybe there is a different type of power calculation in UK RR, a different industrial standard or something, but I clearly do not beliebe that UK tuners have invented an software which is capable of disabling laws of physics *g*

Oh, and I own a Ibiza Cupra 1.8T myself, and I know these cars are darn fast even with remap only....

Regards, Alex

 

[Scott-o]

Unless your going off whp, mines not far off your 215hp atw. And it's been rr'd a couple of times now. If they can only make 215hp max at the fly then it would put a stage 2 cupra on par with ep3 civic type R's etc where it actually completely wipes the floor with them.

My tuner did logs with mine when tuning and running the standard injectors at 3 bar there was still plenty of fuel up top end even, wasn't even any need for 4bar fpr, so I believe steves figures.

And regards the ko3s hybrid you mention 260hp tops, tuners have got them up near 280-295 over here, one of which us at badger 5 and he's very conservative with his figures and doesn't go ott like some rollers. It's all up to you what you want to believe.

 

[majesty78]

I rather believe what I know then in this case *g*

You believe yours and we are all happy and fine ;-)

btw my figures where hp at the crank, not at the wheel. whp is no european standard.

Regards, Alex

 

[Scott-o]

Yeh we can just agree to disagree the whole of the uk is wrong of course

 

[ScottHmk4]

Yeh we can just agree to disagree the whole of the uk is wrong of course

if this forum weere like facebook, i would *like* this post

 

[majesty78]

Yeh we can just agree to disagree the whole of the uk is wrong of course

Thats right ;-)

Maybe the whole rest of the world is wrong...of course *g*

 

[lexyy]

what octane fuel is used in austria?? i whole heartedly believe the figures hartosh's car made, the rollers seemed to be pretty spot on and im sure john at extreme would have known if the injectors were maxed out and the readings were false?

 

[majesty78]

We use same industrial standards gas in Austria, 98 octane or 102 with premium gas like v-power or ultimate.

I dont think it has something to do with gas, what maked me curious about uk numbers is, that foreign tuners seen to disable mechanical/technical limits of hardware, like max. injection quantity of given nozzles or max. airflow of given turbochargers.

As an example: the k04-001 "upgrade" turbo for k03 is rated to a max. of 230-240bhp herearound ( not only austria) and in UK you find those applications running up to 270hp unless the turbo isnt even capable of the necessary airflow for this kind of power if you look at the flow charts of this turbo. It would just overspool like nothing causing damage in a very short period of time like overspooling distortion of the wheel or breaking bearings.

Same with injector nozzles, like stated above the known limit of stock nozzles in the ibiza Cupra 1.8T is around 215hp herearound, same with TDI PD tunings, a 130hp PD engine is made up to 240hp in uk unless its been approved many times ( look @ forums.tdi.club per example) that the necessary injection quantity can not be done with those, it ends at about 190-195hp.... ( I do have proof for that, that some black sheeps sell high numbered tunings without ever reaching those numbers they have actually payed for....)

These are things I dont find an explanation for, and most people dont bother with asking theirselfs if it can be true, they rather believe their tuner without ever asking critical questions... :-(

Regards, Alex

 

[s700 mcv]

If this was the case on stock injectors the car would never have been given a power run its a fantastic machine . John at extreme abandoned my run due me running lean he would have done the same with this car had it maxxed the injectors bud also alot of euro countries dont run the standard of octane fuel available to us in the uk there for figures are down there .

 

[lexyy]

A k04-001 will only make 230 or thereabouts here aswell unless it is a hybrid in which case it will make 270ish. Are you convinced the UK is masterminding a massive rolling road scandal where we make good figures up to make us better than you? is it not possible the uk cars are equipped with different injectors? Just a thought

 

[Scott-o]

My turbo is more or less on it's limits and duty cycle on injectors at 3 bar was fine. Maybe thats why uk cupras came with the ap racing brakes and not as an option, just faster in the uk

 

[Joens]

I do not want to insult anyone or UK, but here in Finland we have alot of custom mappers who think UK rollers are joke (in a way that they give far too big numbers). Now this is not my personal opinion, just what i've heard. Sorry for the OT.

Probably the only way to prove these rumours wrong is that one of you guys have to travel to some other European country for RR

 

[majesty78]

My turbo is more or less on it's limits and duty cycle on injectors at 3 bar was fine. Maybe thats why uk cupras came with the ap racing brakes and not as an option, just faster in the uk

Hm...my Cupra also came with AP Brakes ;-)

I am indeed confused about those UK RR numbers, any tuner outside UK you ask about such high gains gives more or less just a laugh about it, and there are a plenty of them like ABT, Rothe Motorsport, HGP-Turbo, S-TEC, Simoneit Racing and many many others more. None of them would ever confirm it is possible to reach UK numbers....

Please understand, I am not an notorical non believer, I rather find an technical based proof in an technical based discussion....

 

[ibizacupra]

If you read my thread you will see the amount of work that has been put into the car i have uprated everything possible to get these figures and i can honestly say they are true. Ive been in alot of tuned cars and have a rough idea of power outputs and id say this is as close to 264bhp as you can get.

AFR is perfect so theres nothing to worry about there. The car actually runs so much better with all the upgrades ive done recently as my original MAF was on its way out i suspect.

Also when you say standard injectors on this engine are capable of 220bhp max your saying no stage2 mk4 ibiza's can run 240bhp? Theres countless RR's of Cupras running 240+bhp

Im not having a go mate but i think you should maybe have read the thread to see my supporting mods.

std injectors on 3bar and std stage 1 map on this car but with a hybrid and the fueling is ok?
logs of 002 and block 001 will confirm whats going on, as well as looking at 032 overall fuel trim.

std 70mm maf sensor housing also?

 

[Scott-o]

It's stage 2 map and he's got the s3 maf housing though, not sure if it was fitted or not when it was rr'd. I know he also fitted the s3 injectors to have it mapped up properly but been a small set-back.

 

[ibizacupra]

ok.. 380's @ 3bar and 80mm maf are correct.
was it was like this on the dyno plot posted?

 

[Hartosh1]

No it was only 80mm maf on at this point Bill

It was custom mapped last year by Rich@Viper tuning